Offseason positions of need (1 Viewer)

[saintmike23]

This has to be the year we trade down and acquire more 1/2/3 round picks. We have too many holes to pick 9th

 

[livefromDC]

BPA is a myth, it's always been the BPA at a position of need. If you have 2 guys that are rated close they will always take the position that's needed 1st even if the player that's not a position of need is slightly higher rated than the one that is a position of need.
That said I think the needs are as followed
These 3 position are the most needed and you could debate which is 1st
Big contested catch X WR
Run stuffing push the pile DT
Edge Pass rusher
If you don't get the Big X WR then TE would work.
SS a guy that can drop down and support the run
RB , We don't know what we have in Miller or if he can stay healthy and we need to lighten AK's load
IOL , someone that play LG , either a OT that can move inside or an OG
LB , because DD is not getting any younger

Saying BPA at a position of need is just a way to say "draft based on need" without a guilty conscience. If you consider the position AT ALL while drafting, you're drafting based on need. And drafting based on need consistently proves to be a terrible idea. Take the best player, period. Especially in the top 10. The drop off in every draft from the most elite to perhaps good starters is severe. Each draft usually has 3 to 7 game changing players. At pick #9, you can still get one of these guys because a few boneheaded teams are going to do exactly what you suggest, drafting based on need (no matter how they rationalize it) instead of taking pure BPA.

You want to see how BPA turns out? Look at the Eagles. They had great players drop in their lap because teams were taking the player they need instead of the Best Player on the Board. Jalen Carter fell to them and they made the wise decision to take him and figure it out later. They didn't lie to themselves about taking the best player at a position of need (smh lol) or some BS about the need player in a cloud of closely ranked players. NO, they look at their rankings and take the best player. No rationalization. No overthinking. BPA. I hope the Saints return to that. Back before they started drinking the Kool-Aid of being "one player away". Which was another stupid rationalization to pick need on BPA. I can't stress it enough. Picking based on need in any form is the dumbest dumb idea. BPA when on the clock no matter what. Needs are for free agency only.

 

[livefromDC]

This has to be the year we trade down and acquire more 1/2/3 round picks. We have too many holes to pick 9th

Ideally, the Saints would do one of 2 things:
1. BPA
2. Trade down, then BPA.

I would love it if the Saints would not just trade down, but trade into next year's draft as well.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

Build the trenches up!

We had an OL that allowed a 5 ft 11 inch QB become the GOAT. Agree. Build the trenches

 

[livefromDC]

We had an OL that allowed a 5 ft 11 inch QB become the GOAT. Agree. Build the trenches

That GOAT was protect by an excellent OL, yes. However, you don't build an excellent OL by simply throwing draft picks at the position! The draft has been and will always be about the PLAYER you select and not the POSITION you select. Use your draft picks to select BPA, and build. If it's OL that's BPA, then so be it. But this idea of needing to draft positions high because you need to "build the trenches" or whatever is just wrong. The Saints did build the trenches, but they didn't do it by throwing draft picks at the issue. They did it by find the right guys.

Jermon Bushrod: 4th round pick
Jahri Evans: 4th round pick
Jon Stinchomb: 2nd round pick
Carl Nicks: 5th round pick
Jonathan Goodwin: FA, selected by the Jets, 5th round pick
Zach Strief: 7th round pick
Jamar Nesbit: UDFA

This was the core of that line that protected Drew Brees to a Superbowl win. Add Armstead a few years later, even he was a third round pick in 2013. Somewhere after the 2017 draft, the Saints started believing that either they could do no wrong in the draft OR they could draft need because "we're only a couple players away".

The act of picking a position high won't make the player a good player. You have to pick good players. That means not picking certain positions because you think you "need" it. It means not just picking between a certain pool of players at specific positions because they're "need positions" or the farce that is BPA at a position of need. YOU DON'T LIMIT the draft in anyway, just just pick the best players whenever you can. The Saints didn't create a dominant OL trying to force it by viewing the OL positions as some insane must address need. Drafting need creates more blind spots than anything else. If the Saints concentrate on finding the best players, that will solve more problems than anything else. Good players will always have value.

 

[TalleyHo1]

We had an OL that allowed a 5 ft 11 inch QB become the GOAT. Agree. Build the trenches

Absolutely! Get two behemoth guards...at least draft one and perhaps get Becton in FA or shoot, draft another one. Got to protect whomever the QB is, open holes big enough to drive a truck through for those QB runs and RBs.

 

[NeverGiveUP2]

That GOAT was protect by an excellent OL, yes. However, you don't build an excellent OL by simply throwing draft picks at the position! The draft has been and will always be about the PLAYER you select and not the POSITION you select. Use your draft picks to select BPA, and build. If it's OL that's BPA, then so be it. But this idea of needing to draft positions high because you need to "build the trenches" or whatever is just wrong. The Saints did build the trenches, but they didn't do it by throwing draft picks at the issue. They did it by find the right guys.

Jermon Bushrod: 4th round pick
Jahri Evans: 4th round pick
Jon Stinchomb: 2nd round pick
Carl Nicks: 5th round pick
Jonathan Goodwin: FA, selected by the Jets, 5th round pick
Zach Strief: 7th round pick
Jamar Nesbit: UDFA

This was the core of that line that protected Drew Brees to a Superbowl win. Add Armstead a few years later, even he was a third round pick in 2013. Somewhere after the 2017 draft, the Saints started believing that either they could do no wrong in the draft OR they could draft need because "we're only a couple players away".

The act of picking a position high won't make the player a good player. You have to pick good players. That means not picking certain positions because you think you "need" it. It means not just picking between a certain pool of players at specific positions because they're "need positions" or the farce that is BPA at a position of need. YOU DON'T LIMIT the draft in anyway, just just pick the best players whenever you can. The Saints didn't create a dominant OL trying to force it by viewing the OL positions as some insane must address need. Drafting need creates more blind spots than anything else. If the Saints concentrate on finding the best players, that will solve more problems than anything else. Good players will always have value.

I don't disagree with anything you said. My comments were simply that you build a team around an OL. That in no way implies you reach to fill that need. Your post shows you can accomplish that in later rounds but you have to understand that is a reach in and of itself.

We have sooo many needs that for once I am trending to trading back if there is a decent offer on the table... Repeat FOR ONCE cause I normally am in the trade up camp to go get a stud.