Pat Swilling in the HOF? (1 Viewer)

[bigdaddysaints]

didn't Pat get benched his second year in Detroit?

 

[USC#5]

What did Ricky Jackson do for the 49ers, since that seems to be the criteria?

Swilling had a 13 sack season for the Raiders, but I guess that was from playing next to Mills and Jackson as well.

1991 DPOY...only 1 of the 4 LB's has that award...and apparently it was the worst one of them all...you're a funny bunch.

Brian Urlacher is a more complete LB than Lawrence Taylor..that kind of talk is rather irrelevant. Thurman Thomas was a more complete RB than Jim Brown (who couldn't catch AIDS at a bathhouse)..

 

[Bayouman007]

Pat was not the same after he left New Orleans, I loved him only behind Rickey in the Dome patrol, of course I was young so I liked to see the QB get ripped apart and loved the crowd reactions in the Dome after a sack

 

[aintsaintsgreat]

You know Sam Mills will get into HOF before Swilling or Johnson do.

 

[poonami]

For the numbers that D put up, they should all get in, that being said, Pat's stint with the Lion's killed his chances.

 

[the-commish]

I loved Swilling too. My favorite of the Dome Patrol.

I don't think he will have any chance as he was not the complete LB that Jackson was.

He was a rush end specialist, and a great one at that.

That's exactly right. Swilling ALWAYS rushed upfield on every play, whether it turned out to be a run or a pass. In fact, Swilling was eventually traded to the Detroit Lions for their first round draft choice, primarily because the Saints could not get him ever to play the run. The Saints used that pick to select Willie Roaf; possibly the greatest offensive lineman ever to play for the Saints. The Lions coach when that happened, by the way, was Wayne Fontes.

 

[tigerrealm]

One day I saw him at Lafreniere park, he was leaning on the hood of his car, staring out into the park, he looked teary eyed, and emotional, I found out later that that the saints had just released him.

 

[Shawn]

That's exactly right. Swilling ALWAYS rushed upfield on every play, whether it turned out to be a run or a pass. In fact, Swilling was eventually traded to the Detroit Lions for their first round draft choice, primarily because the Saints could not get him ever to play the run. The Saints used that pick to select Willie Roaf; possibly the greatest offensive lineman ever to play for the Saints. The Lions coach when that happened, by the way, was Wayne Fontes.

Well this is a complete load of nonsense. That is not the reason the Saints dealt him--you simply made that up.

Most of you guys don't know what you're talking about. You're either rewriting history, or it's purely a case of not know what you were looking at on the field.

Swilling did NOT rush upfield on every play. He was not the weakest of the three linebackers. He did play the run very well, and he was good in pass coverage. He was an outstanding player. An outstanding weakside linebacker who rushed upfield because he was great at it, and because that's what the Saints scheme asked of him.

Swilling had peaked as a player when he was traded to Detroit. It was Finks who decided that his value was worth unloading him. It's not a philosophy that everyone agrees with, but that was Finks decision. There is little question that his true talents were based on uncanny quickness and speed, and that he had begun to lose his edge--in the same way that Laroi Glover had lost his edge when he was traded. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he was a great player for the Saints.

Swilling, as I recall, suffered some personal problems the season he went to Detroit--I believe the unexpected death of his mother--and apparently became both distracted and disinterested in football for a year of more. He subsequently suffered some leg injuries as well. He was never the same player that he had been in New Orleans, but he was still productive.

I agree that he has no chance of making it to the HOF, but not based on the complete revisionist foolishness that a lot of you are spewing.

 

[SaintJ]

Well this is a complete load of nonsense. That is not the reason the Saints dealt him--you simply made that up.

Most of you guys don't know what you're talking about. You're either rewriting history, or it's purely a case of not know what you were looking at on the field.

Swilling did NOT rush upfield on every play. He was not the weakest of the three linebackers. He did play the run very well, and he was good in pass coverage. He was an outstanding player. An outstanding weakside linebacker who rushed upfield because he was great at it, and because that's what the Saints scheme asked of him.

Swilling had peaked as a player when he was traded to Detroit. It was Finks who decided that his value was worth unloading him. It's not a philosophy that everyone agrees with, but that was Finks decision. There is little question that his true talents were based on uncanny quickness and speed, and that he had begun to lose his edge--in the same way that Laroi Glover had lost his edge when he was traded. But that doesn't take away from the fact that he was a great player for the Saints.

Swilling, as I recall, suffered some personal problems the season he went to Detroit--I believe the unexpected death of his mother--and apparently became both distracted and disinterested in football for a year of more. He subsequently suffered some leg injuries as well. He was never the same player that he had been in New Orleans, but he was still productive.

I agree that he has no chance of making it to the HOF, but not based on the complete revisionist foolishness that a lot of you are spewing.

Thank you.

None of the other guys is going to make it. Mills was more of a classic purist's choice (he was one of Dr. Z's favorite players), and he'd likely be the other candidate, but the Dome Patrol is fading in the mists of time.

We were lucky to get Jackson in. From what I have heard, a small crew of key, long-time HOF committee members spoke up strongly in favor, including Rick Gosselin, who's probably among the best at the Bill James style of "let's look at the right numbers, not just the popular ones" school of analysis.

Rickey's election is richly deserved.

 

[St. Stebe]

If all 5 of the "Hogs" get in then all 4 of the best LB corps ever should get in. Seriously? All 5 of the OL were some of the best ever? Just hard to believe

 

[City Champ]

Vaughn Johnson was 10x the LB that Swilling was, and he won't sniff the HOF.

tru dat!

swilling was quick but he was a one trick pony who lived off of rickey's double teams...

 

[nowhiners]

If all 5 of the "Hogs" get in then all 4 of the best LB corps ever should get in. Seriously? All 5 of the OL were some of the best ever? Just hard to believe

What are you talking about? Russ Grimm is the only "Hog" in the Hall of Fame and he is in the class of 2010.

 

[Swimmer]

Those were 4 amazing LBs. I thought Swilling was clearly the best in his prime but he didn't play as long as RJ. In his day. PS and LT were the tow elite LBs.

 

[longtime lurker]

I want to see Sam Mills get in there next. I hope that the New Orleans and Carolina media will get behind this and get him in there.

 

[City Champ]

Those were 4 amazing LBs. I thought Swilling was clearly the best in his prime but he didn't play as long as RJ. In his day. PS and LT were the tow elite LBs.

swilling couldn't hold rickey's jock and it wasn't even close. rickey fought the double team, coming from the right side while pat had man up blocking coming from the QBs blind side. yeah he was fast, but rickey was dominant!

as good as LT was, look at the tackle and forced fumble numbers of rickey. LT was much like pat; fast and could come off the edge, but didn't do too much else. LT did have some decent tackle numbers, but nothing compared to RJ.