Peugeot and Fiat Chrysler to merge (1 Viewer)

[staphory]

This will make them the 4th largest manufacturer in the world.
At least until poor quality control catches up with them.
I think Peugeot models will find a tough sell in the US if they decided to import some of those. The last model they imported was the 504 I think. It wasn’t great. Americans don’t seem to like French quirkiness that much.

Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot confirm deal to create the world's fourth-largest carmaker

Peugeot (PSA) and Fiat Chrysler on Thursday confirmed their intention to merge on Thursday, in what would be a 50-50 share swap.

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[superchuck500]

Do they even need Peugeot in the American market? I think it’s more about FCA getting a solid brand in continental Europe than it is about Peugeot getting back into the States.

 

[Dago]

Two crappy brands become one

I cant comprehend the lack of quality control with the computers and machinery involved today.
Of course I dont understand why a car that costs as much as a Mercedes is dogged by issues as well (not to mention why people buy them)

 

[Devildog]

Two crappy brands become one

I cant comprehend the lack of quality control with the computers and machinery involved today.
Of course I dont understand why a car that costs as much as a Mercedes is dogged by issues as well (not to mention why people buy them)

Badge snobs.

I once owned a BMW 5 Series. Never again.

Fiat/Chrysler cars are utter crap, with the exception of very few. Cheap plastic everywhere and they rattle like they have 100,000 miles on them when they have 5,000.

It's ok to have plastic in the car. Just make it look better.

 

[Goatman Saint]

Chrysler almost killed Mercedes, found a low quality partner in Fiat, and now Peugeot? Chrysler really needs to just get their stuff together and figure out the quality which they never really have had.

 

[staphory]

Peugeot has been rumored to be looking for a way back into the US market for at least the last year. Supposed to have been laying the ground work for reentry within the next 2-5 years. I guess this serves that purpose.

 

[staphory]

Chrysler almost killed Mercedes, found a low quality partner in Fiat, and now Peugeot? Chrysler really needs to just get their stuff together and figure out the quality which they never really have had.

You have that backwards. Daimler was raiding Chryco for IP and cash and not really trying to give them good products. Jeep and Dodge is what helped to keep them afloat.

How DaimlerChrysler Died

Daimler-Benz chairman Juergen Schrempp and Chrysler’s chairman Bob Eaton shook hands in London on May 6, 1998, after agreeing to merge their companies in what became referred to as the “Merger of Equals.” Except there was nothing equal about it; Mercedes took Chrysler to the cleaners.

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[Goatman Saint]

Engineering side Mercedes thought they could use their high quality German engineering to bring up Chrysler quality, which was a win win. Yeah I realize why Daimler did it, but Chrysler and their poor quality when they brought Chrysler engineers into the Mercedes world allowed BMW to make significant inroads in that market segment which Mercedes had pretty much held down to a large extent. Rotten apples spoil the bunch and anything Chrysler touches turns to garbage

 

[superchuck500]

We have a 2017 Pacifica minivan. The first car FCA built from the ground up. I like it - it’s solid all around. Styling much improved. No real reliability issues. Features and gadgets have worked for the most part (some required software updates to optimize) and are forward thinking in the car tech world.

I’ve been pleased with it. It has won awards and they’re selling a lot of them.

 

[staphory]

We have a 2017 Pacifica minivan. The first car FCA built from the ground up. I like it - it’s solid all around. Styling much improved. No real reliability issues. Features and gadgets have worked for the most part (some required software updates to optimize) and are forward thinking in the car tech world.

I’ve been pleased with it. It has won awards and they’re selling a lot of them.

But they view that vehicle as needing to be a class leader. I rented a truck last month (2019 Ram 1500 Big Horn) it was nice, until you start looking a little closer. Some of the plastic looked and felt cheap. Rattled everywhere and the truck only had 6000 miles. I didn’t care for the rotary gear selector. Nothing really wrong with it, I just didn’t like it. It rode fairly rough. A good truck, just seems a step behind Ford and GM.

 

[The Moose]

Engineering side Mercedes thought they could use their high quality German engineering to bring up Chrysler quality, which was a win win. Yeah I realize why Daimler did it, but Chrysler and their poor quality when they brought Chrysler engineers into the Mercedes world allowed BMW to make significant inroads in that market segment which Mercedes had pretty much held down to a large extent. Rotten apples spoil the bunch and anything Chrysler touches turns to garbage

I think that one is slightly unfair.

You act like Benz had no dropoff in quality till they got mixed up with Dodge.

You can say that Benz reputation was built when they over built sheet in the 70s. The w123 was ages ago.

They been going south a long time.

Personally all the German cars are all living on past quality that they no longer have and ungodly expensive to fix.

Personally I wish it was the Renault S.A. in the merger.

And then we could hopefully get this

 

[zeetes]

We have a 2017 Pacifica minivan. The first car FCA built from the ground up. I like it - it’s solid all around. Styling much improved. No real reliability issues. Features and gadgets have worked for the most part (some required software updates to optimize) and are forward thinking in the car tech world.

I’ve been pleased with it. It has won awards and they’re selling a lot of them.

hah a man van. soccer dad chuck, ready for pooling!

 

[superchuck500]

hah a man van. soccer dad chuck, ready for pooling!

The Pacifica is the ultimate suburban assault vehicle!

But it’s our third vehicle. I only drive it on road trips or to Costco.

 

[donato]

Some of you are thinking 70’s Fiats. They’re better now. And they do also own Maserati and Alfa Romeo (ok my reliability argument isn’t helped much). Anyway, I can see Peugeot being viable in the US. Why not? More choices are better. Why are Peugeot, Renault and Seat available in Mexico and not the US? If you sell them people will buy them.

 

[The Moose]

Some of you are thinking 70’s Fiats. They’re better now. And they do also own Maserati and Alfa Romeo (ok my reliability argument isn’t helped much). Anyway, I can see Peugeot being viable in the US. Why not? More choices are better. Why are Peugeot, Renault and Seat available in Mexico and not the US? If you sell them people will buy them.

Renault–Nissan–Mitsubishi Alliance is whom is merging with fca.

Two are already sold here. The Mitsubishi part has been trying to get things going here again. In honesty they are selling cheap cars to people with credit problems.

The thing with french cars and all non big three usa builders none of them are designed for the us market.

I would have no problem with buying a French car. In fact they make some cool stuff.

I would buy a Citroen C4 Cactus in a second they are under the giant company as well as Opel and Vauxhall.

The merger is more about sharing platforms than anything else. With being a European company they have been working on the euro pollution standards longer and they are much tougher than the us ones.

With that said I would love if Suzuki came back!

If Suzuki came back to the market here I would buy the jimny in a second. It was sold here as a Suzuki samurai. This is what it grew up to be. Perfect city car that is 4wd to play with and is cheap as hell.

The 2018 Suzuki Jimny Is the Off-Road Bargain of Your Dreams, and the Highway Cruiser of Your Nightmares

I just drove the little off-roader and can confirm: It is the real deal.

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