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[sfidc3]

A statement made based on pure assumption and without factual data to back it up.



Injuries are part of the game. Only a very few NFL players will go through an entire career without having some type of injurie(s).

The notion or narrative that Hill has been often injured as an NFL player has been debunked before. He's actually been quite durable throughout his 7 year career.

To put things in perspective, consider the Saints players who started their careers with the Saints in 2017 and are still with the Saints as of now.

1. Ryan Ramczyk - Drafted in the 1st Round of the 2017 NFL Draft. Was an iron man early in his career. Has missed a total of 13 games in his career to this point due to injury. Will miss all 17 games of the 2024 season and may not ever play another down.

2. Marshon Lattimore - Drafted in the 1st Round of the 2017 NFL Draft. Missed just a few games throughout the early part of his career. He has missed 17 of the last 34 games due to injury, a total of 22 games over his career to this point.

3. Alvin Kamara - Drafted in the 3rd Round of the 2017 NFL Draft. Has been quite durable throughout his career having missed only 8 games to this point due to injury.

4. Taysom Hill - Undrafted in 2017. Like Kamara, TH7 has only missed 7 games throughout his career due to injury to this point.



Hill entered the NFL in 2017 as an undrafted rookie free agent at the age of 27. He didn't have a single offensive snap in 2017.

There's that thing about Father Time being undefeated with the exception of TH7. Chuck Norris once witnessed Taysom Hill taking Father Time out behind the woodshed.

Taysom Hill is the only NFL player in history to have multiple seasons at the age of 30 or over to have a season with a rushing average of 5.0 yards per carry or more.

He's now done so for 4 years in a row.

For Hill, 34 is the new 25.



Hill getting between 6 and 10 touches is a winning formula for the Saints throughout his career. Unfortunately, past coaching staffs have failed to realize that and have not used Hill enough throughout his career. He has averaged less than 5 touches per game throughout his career to this point. He was never given more than 25% of the team's offensive snaps until the 2020 season, when he was 30 years old. One of the first things Kubiak did after being hired as the Saints new OC was to fly to Salt Lake City and meet with Taysom to lay out his vision for Hill in his offense. We are being told that Hill will have an even greater expanded role in the offense beginning in 2024. We will soon see what number of touches Hill will get each game distributed primarily between rushing and receiving with the possibility of a few passes thrown and maybe some kickoffs returned.



Kubiak won't base his gameplan on how much money each player is getting paid. A player can have a greater overall impact to the game with the number of snaps he has to be accounted for beyond the actual number of touches he gets per game. You've made the statement above before regarding number of touches to justify how much he is being paid. And as you can see, I don't necessarily wholeheartedly agree, although I do fully expect to see Hills number of touches increase in 2024 beyond his career average number of touches. Keep in mind Hill doesn't get to choose how many touches he gets. Certainly, we all hope the 2024 Saints will have a relatively injury free season, Hill included.

Easy fella, it's obviously an opinion.....I never claimed to be able to see the future....my goodness....

I never said he was oft-injured, I said he had significant injuries as a part time player.....as a full time player it would not be unreasonable to assume he would incur more frequent injuries, especially as he ages.....

Comparing his injury history with the other players you list (all full time players, double or even triple the amount of snaps played) isn't really bolstering your argument like you think it is.....IMO

TH is an anomaly, I'll give you that but basing a huge chunk of the offense on a 34 year old hybrid player is just a bit too risky IMO.....

I think 6-10 touches is what he should be getting, I think 12-15 (consistently) is a bit optimistic.....

 

[ShortFuzed9]

Def wont be Kendre Miller I need one of these udfa guys to beat him out hes not really available to be the guy or a spell back

 

[Artifactual]

Easy fella, it's obviously an opinion.....I never claimed to be able to see the future....my goodness....

I never said he was oft-injured, I said he had significant injuries as a part time player.....as a full time player it would not be unreasonable to assume he would incur more frequent injuries, especially as he ages.....

Comparing his injury history with the other players you list (all full time players, double or even triple the amount of snaps played) isn't really bolstering your argument like you think it is.....IMO

TH is an anomaly, I'll give you that but basing a huge chunk of the offense on a 34 year old hybrid player is just a bit too risky IMO.....

I think 6-10 touches is what he should be getting, I think 12-15 (consistently) is a bit optimistic.....

You've made a very fine rebuttal.

I think give or take 10 touches per game on average is what we will see with Hill this year in Kubiaks offense.

That's almost double what his career average has been but that's a direct result of him being under utilized.

 

[SWJJ]

I think it's easy maths.

I call it three-dozenzes.

Hill 12 Touches
AK 12 Touches
Saints win by 12 points

3-dozenzes

 

[sfidc3]

You've made a very fine rebuttal.

I think give or take 10 touches per game on average is what we will see with Hill this year in Kubiaks offense.

That's almost double what his career average has been but that's a direct result of him being under utilized.

Thanks I guess?

I don't disagree that he has been underutilized or misused the last few years, we will see what happens this year....