Ridiculous use of force by police. (1 Viewer)

[farfromsilent]

Mods feel free to move if this post belongs somewhere else.

I'm not going to get into the vaccination argument, as I don't think that's what this case is really about. For DCS to call in a SWAT team over a child whose fever had already broke and getting back to normal levels is absolutely ridiculous. Why does DCS even have the authority to remove a child over a fever to begin with?

Police knock down family's door, take their kids in overnight raid because mom didn't follow doctor's orders for child with fever | Blaze Media

All three children inside were taken from the parents and placed in separate foster homes

www.theblaze.com

 

[SaintJ]

We ask our police to do far too much, in too many different types of situations for which they are not trained.

I don't want to minimize the many folks who have rightly noted disparate racial treatment statistics, and the BLM movement is very right in many of the things they say.

I long for a day when police roles are properly more limited, so that they can do the things they do well, and justice is far more equal for all.

 

[Saint_Ward]

This seems like a standard practice. I don't know the ins and outs of AZ health law.

However, would this even have been a problem if a trip to the ER wasn't expensive? Imagine a world where we have government funded health care.

It tugs at some interesting threads about forcing vaccination, forcing medical treatment regardless of ability to pay or insurance, and the State's responsibility vs parental negligence. A lot to unravel here.

 

[mt15]

From a medical standpoint, I think there’s a lot of things left out of that article.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

From a medical standpoint, I think there’s a lot of things left out of that article.

Couldn't agree more. The question of whether or not there was a public health risk, chiefly amongst them.

 

[farfromsilent]

of all the articles on police brutality and abuse of authority out there, the Blaze chooses this one...

not condoning this one, necessarily, just an observation

You would be surprised.

Chicago police raid the wrong home again — and end up pointing guns at children during little boy’s birthday party | Blaze Media

A terrifying pattern

www.theblaze.com

Baltimore police sergeant indicted for allegedly planting a BB gun on a man deliberately run over by fellow officer | Blaze Media

The incident involved the leader of a corrupt police task force

www.theblaze.com

A Maryland man is suing police for allegedly withholding evidence that would have saved him from 30 years in prison | Blaze Media

The lawsuit claims that police were just eager for a conviction

www.theblaze.com

Watch: Police in Colorado draw gun in confrontation with unarmed black man who was picking up trash in his yard | Blaze Media

After initially accusing him of trespassing, police realized that the man really did live at that address

www.theblaze.com

 

[farfromsilent]

This seems like a standard practice. I don't know the ins and outs of AZ health law.

However, would this even have been a problem if a trip to the ER wasn't expensive? Imagine a world where we have government funded health care.

It tugs at some interesting threads about forcing vaccination, forcing medical treatment regardless of ability to pay or insurance, and the State's responsibility vs parental negligence. A lot to unravel here.

I'm curious as to whether or not the doctor that instructed them to go the emergency room was able to test for the meningitis. If so why did they not perform the test? This is going off of the story, but why did the doctor just jump to meningitis? Why was DCS alerted even after the doctor was informed that the fever broke? This may not be a police overreach, but more of a DCS overreach.

 

[farfromsilent]

I wouldn't. An Advanced Google search with the blaze domain is something I actually did before making that post.

So, no, I wasn't. And I wouldn't be. A relative dearth on the topic is pretty evident. And the results returned had a totally unsurprising slant to what got reported.

Okay, fair enough. I did a quick search on their site, and found those other stories in less than 5 minutes.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I'm curious as to whether or not the doctor that instructed them to go the emergency room was able to test for the meningitis. If so why did they not perform the test? This is going off of the story, but why did the doctor just jump to meningitis? Why was DCS alerted even after the doctor was informed that the fever broke? This may not be a police overreach, but more of a DCS overreach.

I'd venture to say no. It's not a simple swab.

How Do Health Care Professionals Diagnose Meningitis in Adults?


Rapid evaluation and entry into the emergency department begin upon arrival when you are identified as possibly having meningitis.

Often, you are placed in an isolation room to protect staff and others from infection. Additionally, a mask may be placed over your nose and mouth to further prevent the spread of infection.

• Examination: The doctor performs an early examination to determine if help is needed with breathing or blood pressure. The doctor then checks your blood pressure, pulse, and temperature.
• Testing: Once the doctor examines you and learns of your symptoms, further evaluation depends on the doctor's assessment of the likelihood of meningitis. If the doctor suspects bacterial meningitis, he or she may order the following:
  • Antibiotics may be given early in the evaluation.
  • A CT scan may be performed. This can sometimes determine if the brain is infected or has an abscess.
  • Blood is drawn to check the white and red blood cell counts.
  • A chest X-ray film may be obtained to look for signs of pneumonia or fluid in the lungs.
  • Other tests may be performed to look for other sources of infection.
  • Spinal tap: A spinal tap, or lumbar puncture, is necessary to diagnose meningitis. The results of the spinal tap are essential to help the doctor determine both the presence and then the type of meningitis. Correctly diagnosing meningitis is absolutely essential to guide treatment decisions. If you are too sick for a spinal tap, you will be treated with antibiotics on the assumption that you have meningitis. The spinal tap will be done when your condition improves.
    • Cerebrospinal fluid is obtained through a spinal tap. This fluid surrounds and cushions the brain and the spinal cord. The fluid is analyzed in the lab for things like the presence of white and red blood cells and protein and glucose (sugar) levels. The doctor then interprets the test results to determine if meningitis is present. The test results can also indicate if the meningitis is due to a bacterial infection, fungal infection, or a virus.
    • To obtain the fluid, you are given an injection of lidocaine (Anestacaine, UAD Caine, Xylocaine HCl, Xylocaine-MPF), a local anesthetic similar to Novocaine used by dentists. A small needle is placed in the lower back, around the small of the back, to obtain the fluid.
    • Although the spinal tap can sometimes be uncomfortable, it is generally not very painful. The main complications of the procedure are headache, which occasionally occurs, and infection, which is extremely rare.
    • Because the results of the spinal tap can take up to several hours to return, the treatment often begins before the results are available. The doctor focuses early treatment on a medical opinion of the most likely cause based on your symptoms and physical examination findings.

 

[farfromsilent]

I went back and added the specific advanced search parameters.

I have seen articles from theblaze over the past few years as they relate to this particular topic, which has been something touching on work I've done, so I knew - at least peripherally - how/what they covered. But did that specific search to make sure before posting.

It's not something I did just off the cuff, so to speak

Oh I'm not saying you did it off the cuff. I just don't think the google search turned up some of their articles which showed up on the site itself. I just went back and checked your search results and it seems as though I was right. I went through 3 pages and didn't see any of the articles I linked, nor did I see other articles that I did not link.

 

[NC_Tigah]

When a 2-year-old little boy spiked a fever over 100 degrees late last month, his pregnant mother took him to the doctor around dinnertime. The physician — concerned over the fact that the child was unvaccinated and could have meningitis — told the mother to take the child to the emergency room.

That is bizarre. A fever of 100°F in a two year old is literally nothing. I'd like to think there were other signs of possible meningitis, but the case description doesn't come across that way at all. It honestly sound like the Pediatrician was trying to teach an anti-vaxer a lesson, forcing her the time and expense of an ED visit as punishment. At the point of meningitis, a measles or mumps diagnosis would be pretty straightforward. Otherwise absence of vaccination should not have been a factor in terms of meningitis prevention. The whole story seems incredibly over-the-top. Police with drawn weapons entering a residence with kids? Just awful.

 

[farfromsilent]

I'd venture to say no. It's not a simple swab.

I'm still curious as to why she jumped to meningitis. It doesn't seem like the child was presenting any other symptoms.

Signs and Symptoms of meningitis in babies

Signs and symptoms of meningitis in babies and toddlers vary slightly from those in children and adults. Know the signs and symptoms to look out for.

www.meningitisnow.org

I think this was more a little bit of hysteria over the child not being vaccinated, though that is just conjecture.

 

[farfromsilent]

That is bizarre. A fever of 100°F in a two year old is literally nothing. I'd like to think there were other signs of possible meningitis, but the case description doesn't come across that way at all. It honestly sound like the Pediatrician was trying to teach an anti-vaxer a lesson, forcing her the time and expense of an ED visit as punishment. At the point of meningitis, a measles or mumps diagnosis would be pretty straightforward. Otherwise absence of vaccination should not have been a factor in terms of meningitis prevention. The whole story seems incredibly over-the-top. Police with drawn weapons entering a residence with kids? Just awful.

I agree with that. If it was to just teach the parent a lesson, then it was a gross overreach.

 

[NC_Tigah]

I'd venture to say no. It's not a simple swab.

Correct. If the ED staff was really concerned about meningitis, they'd have to do a spinal tap.

 

[mt15]

There’s a whole lot of conjecture, tbh. That article is leaving a whole lot out, to my mind.