Ross Jackson explaining the O-line (1 Viewer)

[Cougar 2]

I dunno, but IIRC, Underhill n Co talked about it during their top 20 player rankings. So Ima try to find it.

Here’s the Podcast. They start talkin about Ram at about the 28 min mark:



Appears it’s a degenerative issue.

 

[David Robbins]

Here’s the Podcast. They start talkin about Ram at about the 28 min mark:



Appears it’s a degenerative issue.

Thanks.

 

[Belfast Saint]

I had heard that about Ram as well. What is the injury he has that won't heal. Why will surgery not be able to fix the problem

I heard about it two or three years ago in some interview or other. It's a degenerative issue. I mentioned it a couple of months ago and got questioned about it but didn't really see much info on it in print.

 

[David Robbins]

https://www.si.com/nfl/saints/editorial-opinion/saints-rookie-challenge-veteran-starter-andrus-peat

This is on Saldiveri and Peat

 

[Cougar 2]

Yep, but he has a lot of work to do first. You're right. His technique has to improve. He has the athleticism down and in spades. He proved that @ the NFL combine

On a side note:

The Boot Tragedies Podcast did a really nice breakdown on Saints 4th rd pick, OT Nick Saldiveri in his game vs Va Tech. I came away pretty impressed!

If I had to compare him to TP, IMO, Penning is a lil bigger, a lil more aggressive/physical n especially more athletic. That’s probably one if the reasons why Penning played at LT n Nick played at RT. Now, it doesn’t mean Nick is some “slouch” athletically. And he’s also is pretty big physical n strong in his own right too! But I can see why many had Saldiveri projected at playing inside at OG r possibly even C at the NFL level.

Now I’m no coach, but for ME, if there was ONE thing that stood out with Nick over Penning was his arm n hand usage/technique, esp in pass pro! More often than not, whether with the right or with da left, whenever Saldiveri got in dat first “punch” in pass pro, that rep was pretty much over for the defender!

Unfortunately, Nick suffered a calf injury during OTAs, but I’m optimistic he’ll b ready for TC. We’ll see

 

[David Robbins]

On a side note:

The Boot Tragedies Podcast did a really nice breakdown on Saints 4th rd pick, OT Nick Saldiveri in his game vs Va Tech. I came away pretty impressed!

If I had to compare him to TP, IMO, Penning is a lil bigger, a lil more aggressive/physical n especially more athletic. That’s probably one if the reasons why Penning played at LT n Nick played at RT. Now, it doesn’t mean Nick is some “slouch” athletically. And he’s also is pretty big physical n strong in his own right too! But I can see why many had Saldiveri projected at playing inside at OG r possibly even C at the NFL level.

Now I’m no coach, but for ME, if there was ONE thing that stood out with Nick over Penning was his arm n hand usage/technique, esp in pass pro! More often than not, whether with the right or with da left, whenever Saldiveri got in dat first “punch” in pass pro, that rep was pretty much over for the defender!

Unfortunately, Nick suffered a calf injury during OTAs, but I’m optimistic he’ll b ready for TC. We’ll see

Great. Maybe he'll beat out Peat

 

[livefromDC]

I still think Penning would benefit the move to Interrior Lineman

James Hurst - LT
Erik McCoy - LG
Cesar Ruiz - C
Trevor Penning - RG
Ryan Ramcyzk - RT

Peat to backup LT / RT
Throckmorton backup LG / RG
Young to backup LT / RT

Peat absolutely, positively can NOT play on the right side. You have to know the player's strengths. We learned this about Peat early on. He has 2 left feet on the right side. As for the rest. McCoy is a better center now than Ruiz. Changing everyone's position will set the line back a year. Not worth it.

 

[David Robbins]

Peat absolutely, positively can NOT play on the right side. You have to know the player's strengths. We learned this about Peat early on. He has 2 left feet on the right side. As for the rest. McCoy is a better center now than Ruiz. Changing everyone's position will set the line back a year. Not worth it.

This is totally true.

 

[State Of Affairs]

Trevor is a top-heavy plodder in a position that requires nimble footwork above all else.

I just can't see him as a fit for the LT position at all.

Presumably, hopefully, our pro scouts know more than I do.

I come here and read the most ridiculous things. I have no idea if he will develop, he looked improved every week… BUT, he’s an absolute TOP athlete and to say different is just uninformed.

 

[Rexman100]

I was watching locked on saints Last night on YouTube, and in the last section he talks about the o-line with the gaps, and the drops of the tackles. It got me to thinking about Trevor Penning and his development.

It has taken Cesar Ruiz 3 years to develop in the pass blocking part of his game. His run blocking has been there though. Trevor is in the same boat.

Trevor has to learn how to block 2 different gaps - the B gap, and the C gap. Then, he has to learn where to be in his drops - whether it be a 3 step, 5 step, or 7 step drop. Then, there's shot gun and all it's drops.

Run blocking is pretty straight forward, but pass blocking is not. It takes time to learn and develop as an O-lineman in the NFL. Trevor had something like a 80 score in run blocking last year, but something like a 30 something for pass blocking.

Hopefully, he has been working on this during the off-season, but he has also been rehabbing the injury. How much work could he actually put in while rehabbing.

We all pretty much think it's his job to lose, and I hope we are right and it all comes together for him. I just thank God we have a James Hurst on the team. He's not great but he is serviceable and maybe even above average.

Trevor will get there. I think he is that talented. Maybe even during TC. We just need to give him time, and not get ahead of the process.

It's Andrus Peat I'm more worried about. He has never developed into what we need him to be. He's oft injured, and he misses too many blocks. Personally, I'd love for Saldiveri to be able to be developed enough to beat out Peat. It'd be nice to have Peat as a backup over being the starter.

Calvin Throckmorton is another one of our O-lineman that I'm excited about. He seems to get better every year. He's a very good backup for the saints.

Now though, I have to wonder. Landon Young. Is he developing as the backup tackle we drafted him to be. I don't know how much playing time he's gotten. But if Ram has to come out, can Young actually hold up. He was a 7th round pick after all.

I'm excited this year for this unit. I really want to see the entire starting O-line play together for an entire season, something we never got to see last year. This unit still concerns me as to whether some of the young guys can actually develop, but the more I hear from guys like Ross Jackson and the guys @ no.football, the less I seem to be worried.

Trevor has a lot to learn, but Doug Marone is one of the best o-line coaches in the league for developing young players. I'm excited to see this all take shape in TC.

Who DAT

I agree, as long as we have Doug Marone, I’m not concerned.

 

[David Robbins]

Yeah. This is why I also wish we still had Nielsen. He's probably the best DL coach we ever had. Bresee, and foskey need that kind of coaching.

 

[saint_drago]

Trevor is a top-heavy plodder in a position that requires nimble footwork above all else.

I just can't see him as a fit for the LT position at all.

Presumably, hopefully, our pro scouts know more than I do.

Top heavy plodder? Lol Penning is one of the best athletes you'll ever see at the position. Physically he has more in common with Terron Armstead than he does Zach Strief. He might not ever be an elite LT but it won't be for a lack of athleticism.

If he stays healthy I think he'll develop the technique needed to be an above average starter but considering the fact that he injured both feet in his first year, I'm not feeling that optimistic about his future.

Overall I think this year I'm going to go with the wait and see approach with the O line. They have looked great on paper for years and I've heard about how great they are but then the season starts and QBs are running for their lives and RBs have nowhere to run.

 

[GeneHansen]

Peat absolutely, positively can NOT play on the right side. You have to know the player's strengths. We learned this about Peat early on. He has 2 left feet on the right side. As for the rest. McCoy is a better center now than Ruiz. Changing everyone's position will set the line back a year. Not worth it.

ikr.
I feel like there's so many comments in this thread by people who either don't watch OL play, or who are just hoping they can speak something into existence.

 

[BBarnes]

Trevor is a top-heavy plodder in a position that requires nimble footwork above all else.

I just can't see him as a fit for the LT position at all.

Presumably, hopefully, our pro scouts know more than I do.

Can’t get anymore wrong than this.

 

[sfidc3]

Peat absolutely, positively can NOT play on the right side. You have to know the player's strengths. We learned this about Peat early on. He has 2 left feet on the right side. As for the rest. McCoy is a better center now than Ruiz. Changing everyone's position will set the line back a year. Not worth it.

Totally agree, I would love to see the rookie beat out Peat, but at this point, I think it's a long shot.....unless Peat gets hurt....again.....

I also think Ruiz made strides last year at G.....no need to make any changes there.....