Saints at the top of Davante Adams’ wish list [Raiders trade Adams to Jets for conditional 3rd ; Jets paying Adams’ entire remaining salary] (2 Viewers)

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I disagree with this notion. Guy just caught 103 passes last year.

He may very well be declining, but a year in which his original team is an offensive mess, he was banged up, and now his new team is an offensive mess doesn’t provide clear evidence that he’s suddenly lost it.

The guy still has plenty of game if circumstances around him are right. A great #2 WR at worst.

I get that and it's a good point but the drop off a cliff for production for the vast majority of WR's is 32-33 (those that even get that far).....so unless they can get him on an extremely cheap contract (and I don't think they will, there seems to be always some team willing to overpay aging vets) it's an unnecessary risk to me.....we will see what happens....

 

[DSnfla]

This season isn't over yet. Everything about Adams future is merely speculation at this point.

The new talk is based on recent articles suggesting the Jets should release Adams.

If he were to be released, how are you so certain NO Team will claim him off of waivers due to his 2025 salary? His remaining 2024 prorated salary is doable.

You're definitely correct saying that no teams are going to pay him 38 million in 2025.

What you didn't consider is that a team claiming him off of waivers could rework his contact, trade him, or cut him outright post June 1st in 2025.

You're placing an $8 to $10 million 2025 value on his 2025 salary should he become a free agent. How did you determine that range in value for Adams?

From what I've read if he becomes a free agent in 2025 he's likely to sign for between $13 to $15 million dollars on a 1 yr deal.


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Excerpts from a 11/23/24 article by Austin Boyd of Heavy Sports as viewed at www.heavy.com

Jets Already Told to Cut Ex-Raiders WR Davante Adams​

Now he looks like an aging wide receiver with some diva tendencies. Not a ton of teams are going to want to sign up for that in the offseason.

It’s hard to imagine any team will pay him more than $15 million a year. He may be looking at something closer to the $13 million a year DeAndre Hopkins is making.

There should be no shortage of teams that would like to add him. He’ll likely want to play for a contender. Teams like the Buffalo Bills, Kansas City Chiefs and Baltimore Ravens could consider him.

Link to Full Article Below:

Jets Already Told to Cut Ex-Raiders WR Davante Adams

The New York Jets need a hard reset and with Aaron Rodgers' future in doubt, Davante Adams could be shown the door, too.

heavy.com

Excerpts from a 11/23/24 article from the bvm sports desk viewed at WWW.BVMSPORTS.COM

Jets May Cut Struggling WR Davante Adams Amid Disappointing Season​

With his age and diminishing stats, the market for Adams could be limited this offseason, possibly reducing his value to around $13 million per year.

What's Next
Adams is likely facing a contract overhaul this offseason, with potential interest from contending teams looking for a veteran receiver. If the Jets release him, he could negotiate a more favorable deal, possibly seeking a return to the Green Bay Packers or joining other contenders like the Bills or Chiefs.

Link to Full Article Below:

Jets May Cut Struggling WR Davante Adams Amid Disappointing Season

Davante Adams' time with the New York Jets may be short-lived as speculation mounts about his potential release after a disappointing season. The Jets, currentl

bvmsports.com

In this day of the internet just about anyone can start their own website and call it whatever sports dot com and post their opinion and so many people think that because it's online and it's a sports page that they are right. Unless it's by a respected reporter or from a recognized source I usually take them with a grain of salt.

That said, neither one of the articles you posted said anything about Adams being released this yr. It's a lock that they will restructure or much more likely release Adams after the season. Thejets are on the hook for 11+mil for Adams in 24 and that is guaranteed,in fact they restructured part of that to be more cap friendly so it does them no good to release him this yr

The negative on Adams is that he will be 32 and signing him would likely mean that we won't have the money to upgrade the DL and/or LG. I get that the cap is flexible, but Loomis has said that he wants to get it closer to the norm and that is what he has done for the past 3 off seasons outside of the Carr signing. Last year in particular we spent very little. And I expect that to be the case for the next year or two.

The result is that paying Adams has an opportunity cost in that you don't have the money to upgrade the DL or LG. And that doesn't make sense to me when there are so many 2nd to mid-round WRs that come out in the draft every year producing at a high level year one and beyond. You don't so much see that on the DL and we really need to spend money in free agency and use draft picks to fix the DL.

And the truth is that we need more of an upgrade on the DL than we do a WR. We at least have some good pieces at WR for a position that we often only have two on the field. You almost always have 4 DL, if not more, on the field and we basically only have Granderson and Breese as players on the line. The rest range from just a guy to bad and some will be free agents (Young and Kpassagnon).

I think our 2 biggest needs are DL and WR not so much in that order. Olave is very much uncertain. I think he comes back but how much can we count on him? He may be 1 concussion away from ever playing again. We seem to be just slightly better at drafting WRs than we are at drafting DL. My 1st choice is if we make any kind of FA mild splash signing is we sign a DL and preferably a DT that can push the pocket and be a run stopper, and by pushing the pocket making whoever is playing the edge more effective

That leaves us to draft a big contested catch WR in the draft like a Tre Harris. If we don't sign a DL in FA then I would consider Adams if we could get him for under 2yrs @ 20 mil including incentives. I think we need to use FA to fill at least 1 of those needs. Because of his chemistry with DC Adans make at least some sense

A little more goes into than that, especially if your site is profitable. First and foremost, it's a business, the likes that you nor I are part of, or we wouldn't be here.

Sure, a lot of people are gullible and believe most of what they read, see, and hear but most people have an opinion of their own even after digesting the information being fed to them, which is why we come here to discuss such topics. I happen to fall into the latter category, and I'm certain you do as well. However, I don't assume someone is right or wrong about their opinion regardless of the platform they used to share it.



Respect should be earned not just given to the person with the loudest speaker. Many of them are wrong all the time but because of the size of the soapbox which they speak from they are continued to be looked up to. And the beat goes on.



You're right, neither did. But they also didn't specifically way when either.

They were both based off the original column by Alex Balentine of Bleacher Report on 11/21/24.

Here's another take by Max Dibble on 11/23/24 of Athlon Sports, an excerpt that follows:

Jets Advised to Cut Ties With $140 Million Star Due To Rodgers Controversy​

Aaron Rodgers isn't likely to be the New York Jets quarterback come 2025, if he even lasts the remainder of the season.

As such, the franchise has been advised to preemptively cut ties with wide receiver Davante Adams before trade demands and internal conflict make an even bigger mess out of what is already a catastrophic situation in New York.

The wideout will enter his age-33 campaign next fall with two years remaining on his $140 million contract.

As such, Alex Ballentine of Bleacher Report suggested on Nov. 21 that if the Jets are ready to dive headfirst into yet another rebuild, the savings they can find by releasing Adams are too good to pass up.

"It isn't like the 31-year-old can't produce at a high level, though; it's the fact that this Jets team could be in for a complete remodel once Rodgers moves on," Ballentine wrote. "Adams just went through that with the Raiders, so it's hard to imagine him being excited about sticking around for another rebuild. The Jets would clear an astounding $30 million against the (salary) cap by cutting him."

Of course, it is worth it for New York to at least explore an Adams trade first. Given the downturn in production and the cost of his contract, the Jets would probably be looking at a Day 3 pick in return for Adams next spring, and that's the best-case scenario.

Full Article In Link Below:

https://athlonsports.com/nfl/new-york-jets/jets-davante-adams-release-trade-aaron-rodgers-nfl

One can assume the suggestion to move on from Adams to be after this season is over, but using the word preemptively in this way to me simply means sooner than later, or before otherwise expected.



The Jets are in total meltdown in the midst of a horrible season and have already fired their Head Coach and their G.M. Woody Johnson sees himself as a serious owner and intends to right the ship while he's still in charge of the franchise. If the team continues to lose this season it's not beyond reason to think both Rodgers and Adams could be released before seasons end. That might just be doing both of them a favor as they each could sign and play with a contender this year.

The $11+ mil the Jets are on the hook for in 24 for Adams is water under the bridge. Just because they're invested in him for 2024 doesn't mean they must keep him. He also has a per game active roster bonus of $510 dollars. Therefore, keeping him on the roster the remaining 6 games will cost the Jets another $3 mil.

The Saints restructured the contract of Marshon Lattimore earlier this year reducing his 2024 salary from $15 mil to a low base salary of $1.21 mil and an option bonus of $13.79 mil due and payable on September 1st, 2024, by whichever team he was on. Cap ramifications prohibited trading Latt before June 1st, but they had 3 months to do so without having to pay out the $13.79 mil option bonus. They chose to keep Lattimore and pay out the option bonus and roughly half of his 2024 base salary before making a deal to trade him away on the final trade deadline day of November 5th. Essentially the Saints swallowed over $14 mil for Lattimore to be on the roster for less than half of the season. The point I'm making here is that teams don't necessarily look backwards while they are forward thinking. There are other recent examples other than Lattimore to prove this to be true. Russ with Denver and Danny Dimes with the Giants also come to mind.

Adams has 2 years left on his contract with the Jets with base salaries of $35.64 million each season for 2025 and 2026 but those years are non-guaranteed.

The Jets and nobody else is going to pay Adams $35.64 million in 2025 much less in 2026. If the Jets go into the 2025 season with Adams still on the roster, they will have to either renegotiate a new contract with him at drastically reduced numbers, cut him, or trade him. Any team trading for him would require a renegotiated contract as part of the deal. Adams has the upper hand with the Jets going into the 2025 season. If he doesn't want to play there, he could force the Jets to release or trade him simply by not renegotiating his contract. If he wants to remain and play there, he has to be wanted by the team.

At this point unless the Jets feel certain that they can work out a fair and reasonable renegotiated contract with Adams prior to the 2025 season they have no solid reason to stay tethered to him any longer. The question at this point should be is it worth investing another $3 million in a player for the remainder of the 2024 season to have a first chance at a renegotiated 2025 contract and/or a trade that probably only garners a day 3 pick? Should the Jets invest another $3 mil in a player for a day 3 pick in 2025 while in the midst of a losing season? It's not my money but it doesn't sound like smart money to me.

I'm not saying the Jets will release Adams at some point in the remainder of the 2024 season, but I wouldn't be shocked if they did. Same with Rodgers.

Woody Johnson has lots of decisions to make for the Jets future. I expect he will make those decisions based on what he thinks is best for the Jets and nobody else.

One article says point blank in the OFFSEASON and the other only talks about cutting him in the offseason. I'll bet you a $20 donation to Saints report that he is not cut in season.

 

[DSnfla]

I get that and it's a good point but the drop off a cliff for production for the vast majority of WR's is 32-33 (those that even get that far).....so unless they can get him on an extremely cheap contract (and I don't think they will, there seems to be always some team willing to overpay aging vets) it's an unnecessary risk to me.....we will see what happens....

Adams game is not a speed game it's a route running and contested catch game. The 1st thing to go on a WR with age is speed. I think he has at least 2 more yrs at a high level. 2 yrs @ 18mil 15 guaranteed

 

[Albi]

Seahawks	($5,997,972)	$286,841,310
Browns	($13,006,070)	$292,060,686
Saints	($62,801,756)

 

[Albi]

Unfortunately, I wouldn’t hope for any big signings or trades.

Three teams are over the cap for next year, but we take the cake… again. At what point do we rebuild?

I know Loomis will restructure and kick the bucket down the street (once again)… but this should show how bad our cap situation is:

2025 Teams Over the Cap

Seahawks	($5,997,972)
Browns	($13,006,070)
Saints	($62,801,756)

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Unfortunately, I wouldn’t hope for any big signings or trades.

Three teams are over the cap for next year, but we take the cake… again. At what point do we rebuild?

I know Loomis will restructure and kick the bucket down the street (once again)… but this should show how bad our cap situation is:

2025 Teams Over the Cap

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Seahawks	($5,997,972)
Browns	($13,006,070)
Saints	($62,801,756)

Saints were 75M over the cap before they signed Carr to a 37.5M per year deal in 2022.

Salary cap doesn’t stop the Saints from signing the players that they want.