Saints Cap Moves: $27,092,090 cap space ….. 8 restructures, 3 extensions, 3 pay cut, 1 release [All current cap moves are in OP]

[JackDiesel]

We have more cap space next year to make him a June 1st cut.
That is the biggest issue that people who wanted DC cut this year refused to acknowledge...

Cam Jordan should be the person that fans should be screaming that he should be cut immediately...
His salary has come no where near his production in the last 2 years...
6 sack & 10 tackles for a loss & he has made a little over $30 million...

I think a lot of that had to do with Allen. After he was jetisoned Jordan produced 4 sacks and 7 QB hits.

 

[Elvis]

Under Payton’s entire career with the Saints, you can literally count on 1 finger, how many good ones got away. (Rob Ninkovich).

I literally just listed another one. Hendrickson got away under Payton after DA didn't see him as a long term contributor.

 

[Hubig]

He's not playing for the Saints in 2026.

 

[MikeyF]

On one hand some are killing Carr for not doing enough to endear himself to the fanbase, and on the other some want to be cutthroat to the fan favorite, embrace-the-city/native guys because of production concerns, that came after their loyalty/fan favorite status was made apparent and rewarded in their contracts.

It isn't cut-throat...
You have to produce in the NFL & 6 sacks for $30 million is being highly overpaid for the last 2 years.

 

[Taker597]

Good lord. A lotta zeros on that number. Same as his playoff wins. Looks like we are pushing this into 2027 and maybe a new GM by then, and a new HC.

Just not a good situation no matter how you slice it. Unless you have the ability to perpetually look another year into the future.

It would be devastating to waste Kellen Moore. His intelligence is very apparent.

 

[Merl]

I don't think so at all. That minor amount of cap savings is irrelevant. Saving $9.5 million doesn't change his dead cap number of $59,670,000 at all and that is a MASSIVE number to carry for a player not on the team. The only player to have that kind of dead money was Russell Wilson after the Broncos made one of the worst decisions in NFL history. Deshawn Watson will soon follow. That is where we are with his numbers.

The dead money next year is money all ready paid. It is also irrelevant if it is lower than the cap hit if he stays on the roster.

 

[StudioSaint]

It would be devastating to waste Kellen Moore. His intelligence is very apparent.

Kellen Moore values Carr as a QB and chose to stick with Carr as QB instead of moving on from him when he had that option.

 

[Snakehead]

Adebo hasn't played a single down under anyone other than DA. Him being a #2 on the Saints doesn't mean anything when Baun went from special teams player to All Pro Linebacker and Trey Hendrickson was let walk after a great year that DA thought was a fluke to become one of the most dominant edge rushers in the league.

I literally just listed another one. Hendrickson got away under Payton after DA didn't see him as a long term contributor.

Where are you getting your information? Nobody said it was a fluke. He had his breakout year after an injury riddled career. The decision had already been made to keep Williams and Hendrickson was the odd man out.

 

[StudioSaint]

Under Payton’s entire career with the Saints, you can literally count on 1 finger, how many good ones got away. (Rob Ninkovich).

Besides Ninkovich and Hendrickson, Malcolm Jenkins immediately comes to mind. Payton himself said it was a huge mistake to let Jenkins go.

If you're not referring to just defensive players, there was also TE Cameron Brate. He may not have been all-pro, but he was really good.

Every NFL coach has let some players go that have gone on to do well somewhere else. Some coaches have done it more than other coaches, but they've all done it.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Is adebo really trying to get $19M APY?

Wow! Is anyone really gonna pay him that much? That would be a hard pass for me.

 

[Taker597]

Kellen Moore values Carr as a QB and chose to stick with Carr as QB instead of moving on from him when he had that option.

It is such a weird tone shift from media day with being noncommittal. It didn't help that Loomis broke the news about sticking with Carr, either. Should of been Moore.

I will not buy the Loomis conspiracy of Carr being forced onto Moore. The only thing that I'll entertain is that Loomis took some time convincing Moore to keep Carr for a year. So, regardless... This is Moore's decision to sort of spend a year with a QB that doesn't make sense long term.

The last thing we want to do is actually build a contender around a 35 or 36 year old QB that will decline at a moment notice or fall apart from fatigue in the final hour on a playoff run. The window to succeed with Carr has passed.

So, it's just weird. Being two years away from a younger QB vs. being 1 year away is certainly a decision.

It does seem like if Gayle didn't step in with DA firing. I would imagine that he probably would of gotten one more year.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

Besides Ninkovich and Hendrickson, Malcolm Jenkins immediately comes to mind. Payton himself said it was a huge mistake to let Jenkins go.

If you're not referring to just defensive players, there was also TE Cameron Brate. He may not have been all-pro, but he was really good.

Every NFL coach has let some players go that have gone on to do well somewhere else. Some coaches have done it more than other coaches, but they've all done it.

Brate was literally on our practice squad for a matter of days. I would not call that a mistake.

 

[Taker597]

 

[StudioSaint]

It is such a weird tone shift from media day with being noncommittal.

I don't think there's been any tone shift. Moore's tone about Carr has been consistent. On media day, Moore said very sincerely that he sees Carr as premiere QB. Moore said very sincerely that he was looking forward to working with Carr and excited about Carr.

I think Moore is intelligent too and I think that's why he didn't say definitively that Carr would be the starter, when asked on media day. I think he clearly wanted Carr as the starter, but knew that since he didn't have a chance to talk to Carr to hear Carr's thoughts on the matter, he couldn't definitively say Carr would be the starter.

The impression I got from the media day is that Moore wanted Carr as the starter, but it would have been putting the cart before the horse for him to declare Carr the starter before he had a chance to meet with Carr.

It didn't help that Loomis broke the news about sticking with Carr, either. Should of been Moore.

It doesn't matter to me who makes the announcement, but I understand it does to some.

I will not buy the Loomis conspiracy of Carr being forced onto Moore. The only thing that I'll entertain is that Loomis took some time convincing Moore to keep Carr for a year. So, regardless... This is Moore's decision to sort of spend a year with a QB that doesn't make sense long term.

I understand it's hard to imagine that Moore might have a different opinion of Carr that you do.

The last thing we want to do is actually build a contender around a 35 or 36 year old QB that will decline at a moment notice or fall apart from fatigue in the final hour on a playoff run. The window to succeed with Carr has passed.

I don't think that's accurate at all. You're assuming that Moore can't build a contender around Carr and find another QB to continue being a contender. You're assumption is that Moore can only do one or the other. I think he can do both and that's the approach I would take.

So, it's just weird. Being two years away from a younger QB vs. being 1 year away is certainly a decision.

Moore may have a different plan than this and/or he may not see the situation the same way you do. He has an inside perspective. We all have an outside perspective with very limited information.

It does seem like if Gayle didn't step in with DA firing. I would imagine that he probably would of gotten one more year.

Reports say that Loomis wanted to wait to fire Allen at the end of the year. I think it's unlikely that Allen was going to get another year, but only the Saints know.