Saints Cap Moves: Derek Carr restructured, Erik McCoy restructured; J. Williams released; cap space is at -$8,543,537 (31 Viewers)

[Merl]

Wonder if they’ll try the ol’ Friday afternoon news dump thing to announce a Derek Carr extension.

With modern 24hr news cycle and the rush for the media to be the first to report anything regardless of getting the facts right I don’t think it matters anymore.

 

[syeager]

Most of those issues become moot beyond 2026 if you're operating on rookie contract for a QB.

As I look at this draft the top 10 available talents vast majority have warts.

Jeanty - size
Abdul Carter - injury
T-Mac - average length
Mason Graham - size (weighed below 300 lbs)
Will Campbell - Short arms/lack of premium length
Will Johnson - Injury/lack of length/questions about speed

Travis Hunter appears to be the only sure thing talent.

I'm leaning towards being ok w/ the Saints moving up to select Cam Ward if that's who they want.

What frustrates me is that had we just stuck w/ Allen we would have lost more and would have been in better position to get to #1. Those wins late in the season under Rizzi did 0 to help the overall cause.

Maybe that was the master plan by Loomis by not wanting to fire Allen mid season.

 

[nakadish]

It’s not a credit card. ML is just overpaying for underperforming guys and backloading contracts in a way that forces us to keep them. It’s worst than credit card debt because there is not bankruptcy or charge offs in the NFL.

I don't think ML operates in a vacuum. He just gets the guys that the HC wants, so much of that responsibility falls on the HC, not Loomis. Yes, there have certainly been some bad contracts, but when the HC says, "get me this guy and we have what it takes to get a championship", and that guy turns out to be a dud, that's not on Loomis.

I think that the way the Saints have operated under Payton and DA will change with Moore.

 

[tyler735]

This account has been pretty accurate with rumors over the past year. Seems likely we are going to bring back Chase Young. I'm all for it. Thought he showed enough flashes last year to bring him back. Generated a ton of pressures/hurries. Wouldn't be surprised to see him have a breakout year with sacks. Hard to believe he is still just 25 years old with how long he's been in the league.

 

[nakadish]

This account has been pretty accurate with rumors over the past year. Seems likely we are going to bring back Chase Young. I'm all for it. Thought he showed enough flashes last year to bring him back. Generated a ton of pressures/hurries. Wouldn't be surprised to see him have a breakout year with sacks. Hard to believe he is still just 25 years old with how long he's been in the league.

Does that look creepy to anybody else?

 

[St. Geezy]

This account has been pretty accurate with rumors over the past year. Seems likely we are going to bring back Chase Young. I'm all for it. Thought he showed enough flashes last year to bring him back. Generated a ton of pressures/hurries. Wouldn't be surprised to see him have a breakout year with sacks. Hard to believe he is still just 25 years old with how long he's been in the league.

Saw that yesterday and decided not to post it. Reading through the account and comments though, it seems like the guy does have some insight and has developed a good rep.

We’ll see. Seems like a very random thing for someone to take the time to lie about.

 

[StudioSaint]

What frustrates me is that had we just stuck w/ Allen we would have lost more and would have been in better position to get to #1. Those wins late in the season under Rizzi did 0 to help the overall cause.

Not saying the pros outweighed the cons, but the Saints did get to see which players kept playing their best when all seemed lost and those who didn't play their best.

Also, some players were used differently under Rizzi so that provided more player evaluation information as well.

I think that's important to know, so I think it did provide some good. Not saying that outweighs a higher draft pick.

 

[St. Widge]

Saw that yesterday and decided not to post it. Reading through the account and comments though, it seems like the guy does have some incite and has developed a good rep.

We’ll see. Seems like a very random thing for someone to take the time to lie about.

Yeah, I saw it yesterday too. Does seem odd that they would make up something like this, but you just never know what people will do for attention. And the weird photoshop of Pat O's along with the other hastags made me take it less seriously.

Anyway, I would be good with brining Young back at the right price. He was our best pass rusher last year and he has that tantalizing potential. It would also save us some cap space since we would avoid the void years on his one year contract.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Not saying the pros outweighed the cons, but the Saints did get to see which players kept playing their best when all seemed lost and those who didn't play their best.

Also, some players were used differently under Rizzi so that provided more player evaluation information as well.

I think that's important to know, so I think it did provide some good. Not saying that outweighs a higher draft pick.

I concur and yet if the Titanic has hit the iceberg and it's going down (7 game losing streak) removing the captain of the ship is an unnecessary gut punch. You should allow the captain the dignity to go down w/ the ship, not remove him so another person can come in and make everyone feel comfortable about a still sinking ship. Or in Rizzi's case...just slow down the sinking. He was never going to surmount the injuries anymore than Allen would have.

I know everyone absolutely wanted and needed something to happen in that moment but Allen would have been fired end of season regardless.

Still think it was an emotional decision spearheaded by Mrs B that ultimately did nothing in the grand scheme of things except satisfy the blood lust people had for Allen in that moment.

 

[SweetT]

It's crazy to me that there are people out there that actually think NFL teams operate with no foresight whatsoever and wouldn't see this problem coming years in advance and fix it if it ever came to it.

As if the Saints right now and each year are shocked when they see right before the league year that they're negative on the cap and are now scrambling trying to figure out what to do.

Mickey always has/had a plan. Cant see how people don’t understand this. It may not fall in line with how they perceive business should be done, but this is Mickey’s wheelhouse. He just hasn’t shown us that he can flip the script for this next era

 

[StudioSaint]

I concur and yet if the Titanic has hit the iceberg and it's going down (7 game losing streak) removing the captain of the ship is an unnecessary gut punch. You should allow the captain the dignity to go down w/ the ship, not remove him so another person can come in and make everyone feel comfortable about a still sinking ship. Or in Rizzi's case...just slow down the sinking. He was never going to surmount the injuries anymore than Allen would have.

I know everyone absolutely wanted and needed something to happen in that moment but Allen would have been fired end of season regardless.

Still think it was an emotional decision spearheaded by Mrs B that ultimately did nothing in the grand scheme of things except satisfy the blood lust people had for Allen in that moment.

I don't think the analogy fits.

Everyone knew that most of the people on the sinking Titanic were going to die, especially that the crew and captain were going to die. So there was nothing to be gained by changing the captain to see how he and the rest of the crew would perform, for the purposes of future evaluations. Saving as many as lives as possible was the only thing that mattered.

During a teams losing season, no one is going to die, so you have future decisions to make about who to keep and who to move on from. In a lost season, evaluating players and coaches is one of the few productive things you can do and it's an important thing to do.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I don't think the analogy fits.

Everyone knew that most of the people on the sinking Titanic were going to die, especially that the crew and captain were going to die. So there was nothing to be gained by changing the captain to see how he and the rest of the crew would perform, for the purposes of future evaluations. Saving as many as lives as possible was the only thing that mattered.

During a teams losing season, no one is going to die, so you have future decisions to make about who to keep and who to move on from. In a lost season, evaluating players and coaches is one of the few productive things you can do and it's an important thing to do.

ok

 

[tyler735]

Saw that yesterday and decided not to post it. Reading through the account and comments though, it seems like the guy does have some insight and has developed a good rep.

We’ll see. Seems like a very random thing for someone to take the time to lie about.

He nailed a ton of rumors way before any other "NFL Insider" picked them up last year. Was actually pretty funny to see guys like Schefter getting upset about that account breaking news before they could lol. So I'm pretty confident in most of the stuff that account puts out.

 

[Rouxble]

I concur and yet if the Titanic has hit the iceberg and it's going down (7 game losing streak) removing the captain of the ship is an unnecessary gut punch. You should allow the captain the dignity to go down w/ the ship, not remove him so another person can come in and make everyone feel comfortable about a still sinking ship. Or in Rizzi's case...just slow down the sinking. He was never going to surmount the injuries anymore than Allen would have.

I know everyone absolutely wanted and needed something to happen in that moment but Allen would have been fired end of season regardless.

Still think it was an emotional decision spearheaded by Mrs B that ultimately did nothing in the grand scheme of things except satisfy the blood lust people had for Allen in that moment.

Midseason firings rarely lead to anything. Who knows, maybe Rizzi sticks around as ST coach if DA survives the full season.

Interim HC records for 2024:

Rizzi (Saints): 3-5
Brown (Bears): 1-4
Ulbrich (Jets): 3-9

That's a .280 win percentage for the group VS a .333 win percentage for the coaches that were fired. Losing teams continued to lose.

Rizzi was the best of the group, but same as his predecessor, he found his wins against losing teams.

 

[St. Geezy]

He nailed a ton of rumors way before any other "NFL Insider" picked them up last year. Was actually pretty funny to see guys like Schefter getting upset about that account breaking news before they could lol. So I'm pretty confident in most of the stuff that account puts out.

Yep. A quick browse down his timeline shows he’s nailed some scoops in the past month.

Probably an agent’s secretary’s boyfriend or something.