Saints Draft Foundation Players (1 Viewer)

[SaintRay]

Mickey Loomis recently stated they really like the younger players on the roster.



Below are the players selected by the Saints since 2020. You can argue these players are the foundation of the next few years.

We’ve had a few swing and misses as one would expect. And we’ve found a couple of upper echelon players as well.

Of particular interest to me are the middle group of players from the 2023 class, Foskey, Miller and Saldiveri. We really need this group to develop or we’ll view this class, at best, as very ordinary. I see Haener as a career backup. The players picked late in this class are showing promise.

Of all of them, Olave, Adebo, Warner and Taylor are proving to be solid players. And so far, Bresee looks like he’ll join this group.
Ruiz has moments, but is too up/down for me.

I’m not so sure I view things the way Loomis does. We’ve had 11 Top 76 picks and I’d expect more from them.

 

[jayd265]

took a qb 3 of the last 4 years. hopefully haener sticks around for a backup at least.

 

[saintmike23]

Adebo and Olave are the only top 100 players. Only a few starters on that list. Some busts

 

[meily]

There are players there, but I think they need new leadership, especially on offense.

 

[504gks]

Mickey Loomis recently stated they really like the younger players on the roster.



Below are the players selected by the Saints since 2020. You can argue these players are the foundation of the next few years.

We’ve had a few swing and misses as one would expect. And we’ve found a couple of upper echelon players as well.

Of particular interest to me are the middle group of players from the 2023 class, Foskey, Miller and Saldiveri. We really need this group to develop or we’ll view this class, at best, as very ordinary. I see Haener as a career backup. The players picked late in this class are showing promise.

Of all of them, Olave, Adebo, Warner and Taylor are proving to be solid players. And so far, Bresee looks like he’ll join this group.
Ruiz has moments, but is too up/down for me.

I’m not so sure I view things the way Loomis does. We’ve had 11 Top 76 picks and I’d expect more from them.

Way overrates himself. Look at other teams drafts. They need to clean out Player personnel?Drafts and coach.

 

[IceHot]

It looks to me like we have done better than average in that span. I am assuming we hit on (as capable starting players)....

• Pete Werner
• Paulson Adebo
• Chris Olave
• Alontae Taylor
• Bryan Breese
• Kendre Miller

If we get 6 solid starters/package players, 3 or 4 cumulative season awards (All-Pro/Pro Bowl, ROYs, POYs) and some rotational and ST players, out of 4 drafts from the middle of the table, well I would consider that just above the benchmark of successful drafting.

 

[faceman]

It looks to me like we have done better than average in that span. I am assuming we hit on (as capable starting players)....

• Pete Werner
• Paulson Adebo
• Chris Olave
• Alontae Taylor
• Bryan Breese
• Kendre Miller

If we get 6 solid starters/package players, 3 or 4 cumulative season awards (All-Pro/Pro Bowl, ROYs, POYs) and some rotational and ST players, out of 4 drafts from the middle of the table, well I would consider that just above the benchmark of successful drafting.

Agreed, some teams have done far worse. Imo what's hurt us is trading up and reaching for needs like we
did with Davenport and Turner. I wish we'd take a page out of the Ravens book. They rarely trade up or
down and let the draft come to them. They'll take the BPA at their spot. It's worked for 20 plus years and
I don't see it changing soon.

 

[SaintRay]

It looks to me like we have done better than average in that span. I am assuming we hit on (as capable starting players)....

• Pete Werner
• Paulson Adebo
• Chris Olave
• Alontae Taylor
• Bryan Breese
• Kendre Miller

If we get 6 solid starters/package players, 3 or 4 cumulative season awards (All-Pro/Pro Bowl, ROYs, POYs) and some rotational and ST players, out of 4 drafts from the middle of the table, well I would consider that just above the benchmark of successful drafting.

I'm not willing to put Miller in that group just yet. He hasn't produced much at all and injuries have played a part so far. I certainly have high hopes for him.

 

[IceHot]

Way overrates himself. Look at other teams drafts. They need to clean out Player personnel?Drafts and coach.

Lets test that theory. Our Draft Trade Value Chart shows that we have spent 6394.7 points in drafting over the last 4 years this is what we got.....

Year	Rnd	Pick	Player		Ov Pick	Trade Value
2023	1	29	Bryan Bresee	DT	29	640
	2	9	Isaiah Foskey	DE	40	500
	3	8	Kendre Miller	RB	71	235
	4	1	Nick Saldiveri	G	103	88
	4	25	Jake Haener	QB	127	45
	5	11	Jordan Howden	DB	146	33
	6	18	A.T. Perry	WR	195	13.4
2022	1	11	Chris Olave	WR	11	1250
	1	19	Trevor Penning	T	19	875
	2	17	Alontae Taylor	DB	49	410
	5	18	D'Marco Jackson	LB	161	27
	6	15	Jordan Jackson	DT	194	13.8
2021	1	28	Payton Turner	DE	28	660
	2	28	Pete Werner	LB	60	300
	3	12	Paulson Adebo	DB	76	210
	4	28	Ian Book	QB	133	39.5
	6	22	Landon Young	T	206	9
	7	28	Kawaan Baker	WR	255	1
2020	1	24	Cesar Ruiz	C	24	740
	3	10	Zack Baun	LB	74	220
	3	41	Adam Trautman	TE	105	84
	7	26	Tommy Stevens	QB	240	1
						6394.7

Just by simple comparison I picked the Packers as they drafted fairly close to us in the first round in most of those drafts. However it turns out they spent over 1000 more in draft capital (7429.6). Here is what they got....

Year	Rnd	Pick	Player		Ov Pick	Trade Value
2023	1	13	Lukas Van Ness	DE	13	1150
	2	11	Luke Musgrave	TE	42	480
	2	19	Jayden Reed	WR	50	875
	3	15	Tucker Kraft	TE	78	200
	4	14	Colby Wooden	DT	116	62
	5	14	Sean Clifford	QB	149	31.8
	5	24	Dontayvion Wicks	WR	159	27.8
	6	2	Karl Brooks	DE	179	19.8
	6	30	Anders Carlson	K	207	8.6
	7	15	Carrington Valentine	DB	232	1
	7	18	Lew Nichols	RB	235	1
	7	25	Anthony Johnson	DB	242	1
	7	39	Grant DuBose	WR	256	1
2022	1	22	Quay Walker	LB	22	780
	1	28	Devonte Wyatt	DT	28	660
	2	2	Christian Watson	WR	34	560
	3	28	Sean Rhyan	T	92	132
	4	27	Romeo Doubs	WR	132	40
	4	35	Zach Tom	C	140	36
	5	36	Kingsley Enagbare	DE	179	19.8
	7	7	Tariq Carpenter	DB	228	1.2
	7	13	Jonathan Ford	DT	234	1
	7	28	Rasheed Walker	T	249	1
	7	37	Samori Toure	WR	258	1
2021	1	29	Eric Stokes	DB	29	640
	2	30	Josh Myers	C	62	284
	3	21	Amari Rodgers	WR	85	165
	4	37	Royce Newman	T	142	35
	5	29	Tedarrell Slaton	DT	173	22.2
	5	34	Shemar Jean-Charles	DB	178	20.2
	6	30	Cole Van Lanen	T	214	5.8
	6	36	Isaiah McDuffie	LB	220	3.4
	7	29	Kylin Hill	RB	256	1
2020	1	26	Jordan Love	QB	26	700
	2	30	AJ Dillon	RB	62	284
	3	30	Josiah Deguara	TE	94	124
	5	29	Kamal Martin	LB	175	21.4
	6	13	Jon Runyan	G	192	14.6
	6	29	Jake Hanson	C	208	8.2
	6	30	Simon Stepaniak	T	209	7.8
	7	22	Vernon Scott	DB	236	1
	7	28	Jonathan Garvin	DE	242	1
						7429.6

I dont follow the Packers so you will have to tell me how they compare.

Also it really is hard to tell with the last 2 draft classes (2022 and 2023) because its still too early to evaluate without being in camps and practices.

Furthermore to be more objective we should really try to find 3 to 5 teams in the 6000 to 7000 Draft Capital range for a well rounded comparison.

 

[26ISTHEMAN]

This sounds like Mickey is saying "forget this year and wait till next year. Oh, and I'll be here as long as I want."

 

[Saint Greg]

Lets test that theory. Our Draft Trade Value Chart shows that we have spent 6394.7 points in drafting over the last 4 years this is what we got.....

Year	Rnd	Pick	Player		Ov Pick	Trade Value
2023	1	29	Bryan Bresee	DT	29	640
	2	9	Isaiah Foskey	DE	40	500
	3	8	Kendre Miller	RB	71	235
	4	1	Nick Saldiveri	G	103	88
	4	25	Jake Haener	QB	127	45
	5	11	Jordan Howden	DB	146	33
	6	18	A.T. Perry	WR	195	13.4
2022	1	11	Chris Olave	WR	11	1250
	1	19	Trevor Penning	T	19	875
	2	17	Alontae Taylor	DB	49	410
	5	18	D'Marco Jackson	LB	161	27
	6	15	Jordan Jackson	DT	194	13.8
2021	1	28	Payton Turner	DE	28	660
	2	28	Pete Werner	LB	60	300
	3	12	Paulson Adebo	DB	76	210
	4	28	Ian Book	QB	133	39.5
	6	22	Landon Young	T	206	9
	7	28	Kawaan Baker	WR	255	1
2020	1	24	Cesar Ruiz	C	24	740
	3	10	Zack Baun	LB	74	220
	3	41	Adam Trautman	TE	105	84
	7	26	Tommy Stevens	QB	240	1
						6394.7

Just by simple comparison I picked the Packers as they drafted fairly close to us in the first round in most of those drafts. However it turns out they spent over 1000 more in draft capital (7429.6). Here is what they got....

Year	Rnd	Pick	Player		Ov Pick	Trade Value
2023	1	13	Lukas Van Ness	DE	13	1150
	2	11	Luke Musgrave	TE	42	480
	2	19	Jayden Reed	WR	50	875
	3	15	Tucker Kraft	TE	78	200
	4	14	Colby Wooden	DT	116	62
	5	14	Sean Clifford	QB	149	31.8
	5	24	Dontayvion Wicks	WR	159	27.8
	6	2	Karl Brooks	DE	179	19.8
	6	30	Anders Carlson	K	207	8.6
	7	15	Carrington Valentine	DB	232	1
	7	18	Lew Nichols	RB	235	1
	7	25	Anthony Johnson	DB	242	1
	7	39	Grant DuBose	WR	256	1
2022	1	22	Quay Walker	LB	22	780
	1	28	Devonte Wyatt	DT	28	660
	2	2	Christian Watson	WR	34	560
	3	28	Sean Rhyan	T	92	132
	4	27	Romeo Doubs	WR	132	40
	4	35	Zach Tom	C	140	36
	5	36	Kingsley Enagbare	DE	179	19.8
	7	7	Tariq Carpenter	DB	228	1.2
	7	13	Jonathan Ford	DT	234	1
	7	28	Rasheed Walker	T	249	1
	7	37	Samori Toure	WR	258	1
2021	1	29	Eric Stokes	DB	29	640
	2	30	Josh Myers	C	62	284
	3	21	Amari Rodgers	WR	85	165
	4	37	Royce Newman	T	142	35
	5	29	Tedarrell Slaton	DT	173	22.2
	5	34	Shemar Jean-Charles	DB	178	20.2
	6	30	Cole Van Lanen	T	214	5.8
	6	36	Isaiah McDuffie	LB	220	3.4
	7	29	Kylin Hill	RB	256	1
2020	1	26	Jordan Love	QB	26	700
	2	30	AJ Dillon	RB	62	284
	3	30	Josiah Deguara	TE	94	124
	5	29	Kamal Martin	LB	175	21.4
	6	13	Jon Runyan	G	192	14.6
	6	29	Jake Hanson	C	208	8.2
	6	30	Simon Stepaniak	T	209	7.8
	7	22	Vernon Scott	DB	236	1
	7	28	Jonathan Garvin	DE	242	1
						7429.6

I dont follow the Packers so you will have to tell me how they compare.

Also it really is hard to tell with the last 2 draft classes (2022 and 2023) because its still too early to evaluate without being in camps and practices.

Furthermore to be more objective we should really try to find 3 to 5 teams in the 6000 to 7000 Draft Capital range for a well rounded comparison.

Why not pick a good team to compare us to instead of another 5-6 team?

 

[IceHot]

Why not pick a good team to compare us to instead of another 5-6 team?

If we are grading our drafting skills we should pick teams with similar Draft Capital. Or so I would think. Its a lot of work to figure out who had what draft capital, but I would objectively listen to any team working with roughly the same assets.

 

[saint_drago]

Agreed, some teams have done far worse. Imo what's hurt us is trading up and reaching for needs like we
did with Davenport and Turner. I wish we'd take a page out of the Ravens book. They rarely trade up or
down and let the draft come to them. They'll take the BPA at their spot. It's worked for 20 plus years and
I don't see it changing soon.

Preach. I love the way the Ravens draft. They don't get too cute. They just draft good ball players. Obviously they don't hit on every pick but their approach has kept them competitive for years and years.

 

[boutte]

The only reason we're even staying in these games is because we're a talented team. The only reason we're a talented team is because we've drafted well.

 

[St4ever]

Just because you keep around players that maybe you shouldn’t doesn’t make them foundation players, it makes them foundation anchors