Update Saints to interview Mike McCarthy in middle of this week, 1/26-2/1 per Pelissero [Underhill: McCarthy would have to be the current favorite] (89 Viewers)

[DaveXA]

Why would anyone want McCarthy? Wasted AR career and had a Cowboy team with way more talent than we have and did nothing. Can someone tell me a positive with this guy?

Dude won a SB with AR. Rodgers hasn't done much since MM left GB. And he led Cowboys to 3 consecutive 12-5 seasons, won one playoff game and did most of that with Dak at QB when they were top 5 offense those 3 seasons.

He's got all kinds of positives. Can't help you if you refuse to see it.

 

[RJS]

Dude won a SB with AR. Rodgers hasn't done much since MM left GB. And he led Cowboys to 3 consecutive 12-5 seasons, won one playoff game and did most of that with Dak at QB when they were top 5 offense those 3 seasons.

He's got all kinds of positives. Can't help you if you refuse to see it.

To be fair, the Packers won 13 games for three consecutive years after they fired McCarthy and Rodgers won 2 MVP's. That's doing something.

 

[DaveXA]

To be fair, the Packers won 13 games for three consecutive years after they fired McCarthy and Rodgers won 2 MVP's. That's doing something.

Sure, and what did they do in the playoffs? About as much as McCarthy did in Dallas. Not much.

 

[No2DC]

I've warmed up to Mike simply because I don't have the leadership questions I have with Brady or Moore, and those two were already operating with a certain talent level.

 

[cdogg]

To be fair, the Packers won 13 games for three consecutive years after they fired McCarthy and Rodgers won 2 MVP's. That's doing something.

And MM won 12 straight 3 times in a row without AR. And Dallas isnt that talented. Go look at their boards. They have a terrible RB room, bad o-line now, only 1 wr. They have a few big names, and that’s it.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Why would anyone want McCarthy? Wasted AR career and had a Cowboy team with way more talent than we have and did nothing. Can someone tell me a positive with this guy?

Like Dallas, Green Bay & Rodgers’ success stemmed from McCarthy. Those were still McCarthy’s rosters in the immediate seasons after he left. He developed Rodgers since he came into the league and helped put him in position to be an elite QB throughout his career.

Those Cowboys teams were Dak, Lamb, Pro Bowl O-Line, Parsons and dozens of role players that arguably aren’t 53 man roster level. The secondary were ballhawks who can’t consistently cover. They take tons of chances to pad int/pbu stats but always gave up plays just as much. Which is why they couldn’t stop the 49ers and Packers in the playoffs when it mattered.

McCarthy plus the 5-6 player nucleus (including OL) maxed those teams out to 12-win—divisional round when they only were 9-win talent. National media hyping up Dallas every year because of America’s team rep doesn’t mean they were actually talented outside of QB, WR1, OL & the edge rusher. McCarthy made them a consistently winning team again.

 

[RJS]

Sure, and what did they do in the playoffs? About as much as McCarthy did in Dallas. Not much.

They went to the conference championship game the first two years after he left. They missed the playoffs the last two years he was there.

Mike McCarthy is a good coach but we don't have to pretend that he hadn't run his course in Green Bay.

 

[kcirdor]

Seems a bunch of folks view MM with the Dallas stink on him. Nothing about success and just "eww, cowboys". Dont say Payton cause he was a coordinator not the head coach. He aint my first choice, but for the situation we are in he may be the safe choice.

 

[DaveXA]

They went to the conference championship game the first two years after he left. They missed the playoffs the last two years he was there.

Mike McCarthy is a good coach but we don't have to pretend that he hadn't run his course in Green Bay.

I don't know about run his course. He was basically pushed out by Rodgers. No one knows how it would have turned out had that not happened.

 

[dutar76]

Dude won a SB with AR. Rodgers hasn't done much since MM left GB. And he led Cowboys to 3 consecutive 12-5 seasons, won one playoff game and did most of that with Dak at QB when they were top 5 offense those 3 seasons.

He's got all kinds of positives. Can't help you if you refuse to see it.

Note that he had to go 4-1 with Cooper Rush to get to 12 wins in 2022.

Not sure why anyone would be "against" us hiring McCarthy other than maybe McCarthy himself. 2025 Saints and possibly the 2026 Saints are likely to damage his career W/L %. Getting us to or even a game above .500 would be quite an achievement. My hope, if he gets the job is that he changes our "win-now" philosophy into a 3-year plan aimed at long term success. Hopefully that's his mindset and that his "skins on the wall" are enough to make Loomis willing to give him free reign to do so.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

They went to the conference championship game the first two years after he left. They missed the playoffs the last two years he was there.

Mike McCarthy is a good coach but we don't have to pretend that he hadn't run his course in Green Bay.

Lafleur was walking into a made situation on offense. Offensive personnel blueprint was already there. Aaron Rodgers was already a MVP level QB. The Packers immediately decided to do a defensive transformation after firing McCarthy by adding pass rushers Za’darius Smith and Preston Smith and S Adrian Amos in 2019 offseason. That was a big factor for them returning to the conference championship.

They could’ve added those players with McCarthy but Green Bay FO just wanted a fresh start. McCarthy last 2 GB seasons were similar to Payton having consecutive 7-9 seasons. But the Saints FO rode it out with him to get back to the playoffs in 2017. Before he was fired McCarthy had 8 consecutive playoff apps ‘09-‘16. After the SB, he took GB to the NFCCG in 2014 and 2016. 2016 was 2 seasons before he was fired. He should’ve been able to remain GB HC for another year.

 

[OutlawSaint]

I want Mike McCarthy. Veteran coach who will bring leadership and will have the best chance of helping to get good coordinators on the other sides of the ball (defense, special teams, and heck even passing game coordinator/offensive assistant). A new coach like Brady might not be as big of a draw for other good coordinators?

 

[No2DC]

To be fair, the Packers won 13 games for three consecutive years after they fired McCarthy and Rodgers won 2 MVP's. That's doing something.

I think we can agree that generational talent complicates the discussion; that's my gripe with Brady. Rogers was Rogers when Mike left, and Brady's best work has been with Burrow, Teddy (who Sean has already "fixed"), and Allen. That's a first-ballot HOF guy, a potential HOF, and a solid, proven starter.

 

[RJS]

I think we can agree that generational talent complicates the discussion; that's my gripe with Brady. Rogers was Rogers when Mike left, and Brady's best work has been with Burrow, Teddy (who Sean has already "fixed"), and Allen. That's a first-ballot HOF guy, a potential HOF, and a solid, proven starter.

There's always a bit of chicken and the egg with these situations. Is Brady propped up by having great talent or is he a good enough coach that he's chosen over others to work with great talent? The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.

 

[St. Widge]