Same play, different day—the Shaheed 58-yd TD (1 Viewer)

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I want to highlight a few plays from the big win on Sunday to show how execution and/or getting the right looks makes a big difference in the outcome. To start off, I want to look at the long TD to Shaheed. Except, I want to start with a few earlier instances of us running the same concept with different outcomes. I’ll try to keep it brief to focus on the main idea.

VS Bucs

Here we ran this play against the Bucs, which was DOA almost immediately due to a lack of protection for Carr. Focus on the concept on the top of the screen.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698710139.mov
The Bucs play in a three man shell, and in this concept Kirkwood and Olave create a 2v1 on the deep third defender, who eats the turf on this play. With the line getting beat almost immediately, Carr resorts to throwing it away before he can take advantage.

VS Patriots

Same concept here, similar three man shell, and Carr has time.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698709799.mov
The deep third defender keeps tabs on the fade, opening up Olave underneath. Unfortunately, the throw was off the mark, but you can see how better protection gave us a shot at a nice gain.

So better execution from the line, but a missed throw from the QB. That three man shell is not the best look for us though—what we would love is a quarters look.

VS Colts

Same concept again, except Shaheed runs a post instead of a fade, likely as a game planning adjustment to the coverage.
View attachment RPReplay_Final1698709663.mov

This time, the playside safety is in conflict, and when they pick up Olave underneath it leaves the corner covering Shaheed without a post defender for help. So good protection, great throw, and the right look all come together for the type of big play we’ve been looking for.

TL;DR - It isn’t necessarily new calls that create big plays, rather than some of the same calls executed well against the right look.
 
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I want to highlight a few plays from the big win on Sunday to show how execution and/or getting the right looks makes a big difference in the outcome. To start off, I want to look at the long TD to Shaheed. Except, I want to start with a few earlier instances of us running the same concept with different outcomes. I’ll try to keep it brief to focus on the main idea.

VS Bucs

Here we ran this play against the Bucs, which was DOA almost immediately due to a lack of protection for Carr. Focus on the concept on the top of the screen.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698710139.mov
The Bucs play in a three man shell, and in this concept Kirkwood and Olave create a 2v1 on the deep third defender, who eats the turf on this play. With the line getting beat almost immediately, Carr resorts to throwing it away before he can take advantage.

VS Patriots

Same concept here, similar three man shell, and Carr has time.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698709799.mov
The deep third defender keeps tabs on the fade, opening up Olave underneath. Unfortunately, the throw was off the mark, but you can see how better protection gave us a shot at a nice gain.

So better execution from the line, but a missed throw from the QB. That three man shell is not the best look for us though—what we would love is a quarters look.

VS Colts

Same concept again, except Shaheed runs a post instead of a fade, likely as a game planning adjustment to the coverage.
View attachment RPReplay_Final1698709663.mov

This time, the playside safety is in conflict, and when they pick up Olave underneath it leaves the corner covering Shaheed without a post defender for help. So good protection, great throw, and the right look all come together for the type of big play we’ve been looking for.

TL;DR - It isn’t necessarily new calls that create big plays, rather than some of the same calls executed well against the right look.


Bingo...calling plays vs look defense giving!!! Finally! And part of that comes with play calls prior to force into that D.

Oh if PC has figured it out, and we continue this ALONG with OLine play, things will get better.

Play calling is an art many times.

I hope this springboards them into next week
 
Are you saying PC has great play design? And it was lack of execution which didn't produce the result, not bad play calling?

The 1st and 3rd play, the offense stretched all levels. If the big play didn't develop, they got 2 dump off to AK and Hill with 8 years separating the nearest defender. Decent chance they can make the 1st defender miss and get the 1st down.

I'm betting it's an option route such that if it's cover 2, middle of field open, the inside receiver will run to the open spot instead of cutting back toward the edge. So it doesn't matter what the defense called, someone will be open. If the protection hold up.
 
appreciate the analysis. Yep, especially agree with the "...against the right look" part of your statement. The on the fly adjustments/calls against the D is so key.
 
Sounds like something we both have been saying. It's more execution than playcalling. While the playcalling could always improve it's execution that has been the problem. in the 1st 1 it was OL execution in the 2nd it was QB execution
 
Bingo...calling plays vs look defense giving!!! Finally! And part of that comes with play calls prior to force into that D.

Oh if PC has figured it out, and we continue this ALONG with OLine play, things will get better.

Play calling is an art many times.

I hope this springboards them into next week
It's more execution. On the times it didn't work we got the look we wanted and the play called was good just poor execution by the OL and QB
 
Are you saying PC has great play design? And it was lack of execution which didn't produce the result, not bad play calling?

The 1st and 3rd play, the offense stretched all levels. If the big play didn't develop, they got 2 dump off to AK and Hill with 8 years separating the nearest defender. Decent chance they can make the 1st defender miss and get the 1st down.

I'm betting it's an option route such that if it's cover 2, middle of field open, the inside receiver will run to the open spot instead of cutting back toward the edge. So it doesn't matter what the defense called, someone will be open. If the protection hold up.
If the protection hold up is the key phrase in your post. You can throw in QB execution. In both cases play call was fine
 
Bingo...calling plays vs look defense giving!!! Finally! And part of that comes with play calls prior to force into that D.

Oh if PC has figured it out, and we continue this ALONG with OLine play, things will get better.

Play calling is an art many times.

I hope this springboards them into next week
I don't think it's that easy to force a defense to play what we want them to play, and PC won't see the coverage before his play call so the call has to be based on analysis of what that defense has done in the past in similar situations.

Even in the first two calls, the play worked as designed against the coverage except for early pressure in against the Bucs and an off throw against the Patriots. The vertical route won't always open up like it did for Shaheed but Olave and/or the receiver to the flat can get open.

This play is more of a flood, but you can see how much space gets created for Hill in the flat on the three level stretch.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698749555.mov

And here is what I've seen called pylon-sail, a sail concept with a pylon (corner) route instead of a fade route. Look how open AT Perry gets on the alert. With 3v2 presnap and the safety stuck to the middle, I wish Carr would have read the alert this time. No one picks up Perry, and if they do Olave is open for the first.
View attachment RPReplay_Final1698748712.mov

It’s notable because we get the one high safety look we’ve gotten in earlier games, but we had numbers to overwhelm the two defenders.
 
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Are you saying PC has great play design? And it was lack of execution which didn't produce the result, not bad play calling?

The 1st and 3rd play, the offense stretched all levels. If the big play didn't develop, they got 2 dump off to AK and Hill with 8 years separating the nearest defender. Decent chance they can make the 1st defender miss and get the 1st down.

I'm betting it's an option route such that if it's cover 2, middle of field open, the inside receiver will run to the open spot instead of cutting back toward the edge. So it doesn't matter what the defense called, someone will be open. If the protection hold up.
A lot of times, it is execution. The first play against the Bucs is a great example, same concept as the other two plays but the QB gets pressure in his face well before the play can develop. No OC is going to overcome a pass rusher ripping through the interior of the line immediately, we wouldn't even be able to attempt passes more than 10 yards down the field if we planned for that to happen each play.
 
I want to highlight a few plays from the big win on Sunday to show how execution and/or getting the right looks makes a big difference in the outcome. To start off, I want to look at the long TD to Shaheed. Except, I want to start with a few earlier instances of us running the same concept with different outcomes. I’ll try to keep it brief to focus on the main idea.

VS Bucs

Here we ran this play against the Bucs, which was DOA almost immediately due to a lack of protection for Carr. Focus on the concept on the top of the screen.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698710139.mov
The Bucs play in a three man shell, and in this concept Kirkwood and Olave create a 2v1 on the deep third defender, who eats the turf on this play. With the line getting beat almost immediately, Carr resorts to throwing it away before he can take advantage.

VS Patriots

Same concept here, similar three man shell, and Carr has time.

View attachment RPReplay_Final1698709799.mov
The deep third defender keeps tabs on the fade, opening up Olave underneath. Unfortunately, the throw was off the mark, but you can see how better protection gave us a shot at a nice gain.

So better execution from the line, but a missed throw from the QB. That three man shell is not the best look for us though—what we would love is a quarters look.

VS Colts

Same concept again, except Shaheed runs a post instead of a fade, likely as a game planning adjustment to the coverage.
View attachment RPReplay_Final1698709663.mov

This time, the playside safety is in conflict, and when they pick up Olave underneath it leaves the corner covering Shaheed without a post defender for help. So good protection, great throw, and the right look all come together for the type of big play we’ve been looking for.

TL;DR - It isn’t necessarily new calls that create big plays, rather than some of the same calls executed well against the right look.

No doubt that the OL holding up is critical to long passes. Even so, here are the long pass percentages for 2022 for some of the best NFL QBs (per PFF):

Mahomes - 44.4%
J. Allen - 41%
Joe Burrow - 38.5%
D. Carr - 33.8% (last year for comparison)

And this year Carr is at the top of the league in 40 (7) and in 50 (3) yard passes completed. I haven't pulled his percentage completion on these long passes but I am betting its not much better than his percentage last year on long passes.

The point is that these long passes are high risk for all QBs and Carr's may not be top in the league throwing them percentage-wise.
 

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