Since When Did First Time HCs Have a Say in Finding a GM Become a Trend? (35 Viewers)

[DerrickB]

I keep seeing these buzz words on my time-line saying "pick your own GM."

Dudes moving like they have McVay/ Payton type power

 

[Elvis]

Probabably after Shanahan got John Lynch the job with the 49ers and they turned things around pretty quickly. Then there are a lot of examples of how GMs go through wrong coach after wrong coach. Having alignment between a quality coach and a quality GM seems like something every team should want.

 

[nakadish]

So you go on a job interview, and you tell the hiring manager that you would like to come work for them, but he needs to quit first and you get to pick your boss... I'm not seeing how that ends well.

 

[kcirdor]

So you go on a job interview, and you tell the hiring manager that you would like to come work for them, but he needs to quit first and you get to pick your boss... I'm not seeing how that ends well.

No, you tell your people, you tell everyone that will listen that you want that job, but only if you get what you want. You dont tell the hiring manager a damn thing. You work connections to get the info to the bosses boss to make it happen. And if you get that Info to Tony Khan(or whichever owner) it happens.

 

[blackjack]

I remember here in Houston when they hired Gary Kubiak he got them to hire Rick Smith to be GM. That was around ‘07. I had never seen that before then.

 

[Sir2U]

The team is already bad because they are needing a new head coach so why not bring in your own GM..

 

[Wisco Steve]

Turns out a potentially good (or better) HC is worth quite a bit. It's not as important as a good QB, but it's still pretty crucial. Like QBs, there is also a shortage of good HCs...and there is no shortage of $ for a lot of owners. These shaky GMs aren't going to attract the hot coaches, the roles need to be intertwined tightly.

 

[nakadish]

No, you tell your people, you tell everyone that will listen that you want that job, but only if you get what you want. You dont tell the hiring manager a damn thing. You work connections to get the info to the bosses boss to make it happen. And if you get that Info to Tony Khan(or whichever owner) it happens.

Or more likely they say, "Pound sand. I'm going with another candidate".

 

[Rouxble]

Should the coach work for the GM, or the other way around?

Also, if the GM is looking for a coach, they must have fired one. Did the previous coach fail due to his actions (is the GM even qualified to evaluate those actions?), or did the coach fail because of the roster that the GM built?

Pat Kirwan has said in the past the ideal org structure is the one where the HC has authority over all football decisions, and that can only be the case if the GM is in a support role instead of a managerial one.

 

[kcirdor]

Or more likely they say, "Pound sand. I'm going with another candidate".

So be it. You win some, you lose some. Seems to have worked for 3 candidates this year. So get ready for it to be the norm.

 

[SuperSaint]

I think the Jets were a unique situation, given that they had an open GM position.

I don't recall this being a HC demand in the past, maybe the levers of power are shifting.

Loomis sure as hell deserves to be fired.

 

[Elvis]

Should the coach work for the GM, or the other way around?

Also, if the GM is looking for a coach, they must have fired one. Did the previous coach fail due to his actions (is the GM even qualified to evaluate those actions?), or did the coach fail because of the roster that the GM built?

Pat Kirwan has said in the past the ideal org structure is the one where the HC has authority over all football decisions, and that can only be the case if the GM is in a support role instead of a managerial one.

I personally think there need to be a good partnership but also some checks and balances between the two positions. Saints fans blame Payton for the cap and the roster, but the traditional role has been for GMs to manage those things and the coaches to coach the rosters they are given. Now if Payton (or DA more recently) did demand certain things that were risky and put the teams ability to sign their own free agents or saddle the team with a player they no longer want, then the GM should be the voice of reason that prevents that in some cases.

That is why I'm not totally against getting them as a pair with a common vision but different responsibilities. What I don't like is the coach making the demands, the GM giving them what they want and washing their hands of the responsibility after the coach has been fired.

 

[NatureBoy]

If the Saints asked AG to not sign with NY until they had a chance to talk and he in turn leveraged the Jets offer, which included getting a GM of his liking, it makes all the sense in the world.

 

[Taker597]

Nobody wants to bet their career with it lockstep with a failing GM.

 

[JackDiesel]

I think the Jets were a unique situation, given that they had an open GM position.

I don't recall this being a HC demand in the past, maybe the levers of power are shifting.

Loomis sure as hell deserves to be fired.

Yeah Jets had two open spots so that made sense. I think the Raiders do too.

No one wanted to work with Baalke. He should have already been fired. It wasn't just Coen didn't want to work with him, Ben Johnson didn't want to either.

I don't think this is a demand from any HC but a GM/HC being in sync is extremely important.