So How Attractive is the Saints HC Job? (65 Viewers)

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The thread heading asks how attractive is the Saints head coach job? The answer is that we are about to find out based on who is hired and reports as to what options the coach hired had. An educated response at the moment is not terribly so.

A rough ranking of the attractiveness of the head-coach openings is that New England, Chicago, Jacksonville, and Dallas stand in the first tier and New Orleans, Las Vegas, and the Jets in the second tier. For four reasons, the Saints job seems relatively unattractive.

First, the lack of a young or red-chip quarterback. New England has Maye, Chicago has Williams, Jacksonville has Lawrence (whose play has been inconsistent), and Dallas has Prescott. Rattler has shown potential, but in all probability, he will not become a top 10 quarterback in future years. Derek Carr is 34, lacks mobility, and at his best is a middle-level quarterback. With superior talent, a team can make the playoffs with Carr. The Saints have below-average talent. Carr is not the future.

Second, the lack of overall talent. The Saints have perhaps three players who are or will shortly be blue-chip (top five at their position) or red-chip (top 10 at their position): Erik McCoy, Alvin Kamara (who will be turning 30), and Taliese Fuaga. And they have a relatively limited number of players who could be considered quality starters: Chris Olave (though concussions are a concern), Rashid Shaheed, Taysom Hill (certainly an impact player, but he will be turning 35), Bryan Bresee, Carl Granderson, Pete Werner, Paulson Adebo, and Alontae Taylor. There may be some young players who may flourish in the next two years. But this roster is not talented and is certainly not deep.

Third, salary cap. The Saints rank last in the league in the amount of money they are over the projected 2025 salary cap (at least $40,000,000 assuming an increase in the 2025 salary-cap money, though most tables currently show an amount over $50,000,000) and in dead money ($48,000,000). Yes, the Saints can restructure contracts to become salary-cap complaint. But in doing so, they adversely affect their ability to compete in future years. And they remain the team least able to sign free agents in 2025. What free agents are we failing to sign because of our salary cap?

Fourth, franchise direction. Whether Mickey Loomis as general manager is an asset or liability can be debated. I and others would suggest the latter. Some on this forum would suggest the former. Unquestionably, the team's ownership has shown greater patience and has been less demanding with its top executives than team owners elsewhere. But at his press conference last week, the gist of Loomis's comments was that the team's direction over the past three years was not wrong and would continue--there will be no hard rebuild. If I were interviewing for the job as Saints head coach, I would not be asking at what team can I win the most games in 2025. I would be asking at what team will I have the best chance of showing major improvement in 2026 and seriously contending in 2027. Kyle Shanahan and John Lynch did not win in San Francisco until their third year. Yes, three years is a long time in the NFL. But some prospective head coaches will think that unless the Saints are willing to recognize that what they have been doing leads to mediocrity at best and is not working, this is not the job they want.

Again, were I being interviewed for the head coach job, I would be asking questions: From 1 to 32, where do you think your roster ranks in terms of talent? What organizationally have you done wrong over the last three years, and what do you plan to do differently? When do you expect to return to the middle of the pack in salary cap space? What do you plan on doing to become salary cap compliant in 2025? Going forward do you anticipate trading down in the draft to acquire more draft picks more than trading up to select targeted players?
 
We're definitely towards the bottom but we're also not "unattractive". Despite the cap situation, our 2026 cap has a plethora of available money available. We have the #9 pick. We have an average QB to compete with while the new HC searches for a franchise QB. We have two solid offensive tackles and one of the best centers in the NFL. We have a DT that hasn't been coached up but is leading DT's in sacks and pressures. We do have a fairly good secondary.

We also have a front office that has shown a history of being good to head coaches and doing everything possible to put them in a situation to succeed, as well as giving them time, and understanding of mistakes.

We're not a franchise that coaches, nor player candidates should run from.

We're just in desperate need of a good head coach who can also bring good coaches underneath him.
 
We're in the bottom tier just on the QB and cap factors alone.
 
I am sure we are one of the least attractive jobs for all the reasons OP laid out. We're just not a marquee job - we need to get lucky and/or find someone who has a local or franchise connection that would override some of the objective criteria.

But, it really doesn't matter to me if we are seen as the least attracttive job - it's more or less a crapshoot and every team has to get lucky when they hire a coach. Unless you hire someone who clearly has no business being a HC (think Tomsula), you never know until they get in the door. It's all an educated guess. (FWIW I would not have hired DA but at the time I could at least understand the logic. By October it was clear we were screwed.)

We were clowning the Falcons for years over Dan Quinn and "Quinning" and now he's coaching in the NFCCG.
 
Yet its what? 60 million under?
It was $69mil under, but 25 teams are $103mil under and six teams are $212mil or more under. We have the $69m as of now, but we’re still well behind the vast majority of the league.

Of the teams we’re competing with for a new HC…the Raiders are $283 million under, Bears $212m, Jets $147m, Jax $117m, and Dallas $103m.
 
I disagree, Carr is a known commodity, he may not be top tier but he has the talent to win with and gives a coach time to bring in a young g qb to groom. The biggest issue is Loomis and the salary cap situation.
 
It was $69mil under, but 25 teams are $103mil under and six teams are $212mil or more under. We have the $69m as of now, but we’re still well behind the vast majority of the league.

Of the teams we’re competing with for a new HC…the Raiders are $283 million under, Bears $212m, Jets $147m, Jax $117m, and Dallas $103m.

That $283M under is projected that they will roll $95M over from 2025 to 2026. Who knows if that will actually happen with their new staff.
 
Not as bad as many think.

Actually, who cares?

Dallas has a huge market, but they also have Jerry Jones to deal with.

The Jets have a huge market, but are a shirt show.

Chicago swings and misses on every coach hire and QB selection.

All we need is one guy to be willing to take no this challenge and go all in, like SP did in 2006.

As for the coaches who are looking for the easier road, good for them, maybe they'll find success.
 
That $283M under is projected that they will roll $95M over from 2025 to 2026. Who knows if that will actually happen with their new staff.
It’ll decrease for everyone once 2025 rolls into 2026, including the Saints. The bottom line for me is that we still rank 29th on that list.
 
It's 1 of 32 jobs in the world... I think it's pretty attractive...

You think any coach is turning that job down? Sean Payton came here after the city was destroyed...
 
Mina Kines Ranks Head Coaches

I think this is a good example of someone who has no Saints bias or loyalty ranking all the coaching jobs. Spoiler alert, we're last. I think she was off on the "Etc" part, we have a stable ownership and front office, as well as a weak division(for now). But she was also generous with the QB rating. She should have stuck with the 2.

Either way, she's never really been a Saints hater, but she's also not going to wear black and gold colored glasses. This is how a lot of people outside of the Saints bubble see this job.
 
I’ve changed my opinion of where I think the Saints HC job should be ranked. I consider it a top 2 destination. If your job is to get to the Super Bowl, then it should matter who you play year in and year out. Having to barely break even and win your division is a much easier task, than having to win 13 games each year. Tom Brady is trying to use voodoo to convince Ben Johnson into not trusting his own gut. OAK/LV’s division is beyond difficult bordering on impossible, to win. Especially without an elite QB.

Our cap can be viewed like a hinderance, but you can’t say we won’t go all in spending-wise. Chicago is known as a team to be cheap when it comes to coaching salaries. They are trying to change that fact with BS about trying to hire Tomlin, and that money now doesn’t matter.

Top QB: we don’t have an elite Qb, but we have the next tier down, equal with the Daks and Bakers of the world.

Current Roster: needs a lot of work. Including additions from subtractions.

Pressure to immediately succeed: We rank 1st by a mile in this category.

So IMO, a coach should be looking at who he’ll have to play, and how much pressure does he have to succeed and the Saints are one of the best destinations for those categories
 

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