So you want the Saints to go away from a guy who catches over 80% of his targeted passes? (1 Viewer)

[sammymvpknight]

I went back & looked at what this guy was using as his reference to make his point. Do you realize it's a stinking fantasy stat? I couldn't give a crap about who's doing what in fantasy. I guess if this guy was smart enough to draft MT he would be writing how they should just keep feeding MT the ball. The fact is Alvin Kamara catches around 80% of his targets & so does Michael Thomas. The other guys on this team catch the ball at about 63% which is what every other good/ not great receiver in the game does. Our problem is we compare every receiver we have to MT instead of all the other receivers in the world. There's a reason MT is making mad money. He's the BEST. And Alvin Kamara is at the top of the league in catching as well. I'm just wondering who doesn't comprehend this. Our receiving corps would be good without MT. But MT makes our corps hands down the best. Why do people think Drew's completion percentage went up over the last three seasons? Some times you just have to live with the fact that you're already the best. And chasing yaw yaws around isn't going to help make you better.

Kamara is a RB. Sure...you line him up out wide to get matchups but he has never demonstrated that he is able to be a pure WR (a guy who is lined up against #1 or #2 CBs, and win). Ginn is unquestionably the Saints #2 WR, and if he goes up against a #1 CB, I'm pretty sure that he disappears.

 

[Zack Lee]

So you want every pass to have to be forced? We all are ecstatic to have MT and I love his twitter handle. But let’s be honest, everyone can be covered. Maybe not by many but they can. You get big strong DBs to double him, jam him and blanket him and he will be ineffective. If you think we could play a Belichick defense and have him not figure out a way to neutralize him if he is one of two threats, your kidding yourself. And what does neutralize even mean for a guy like MT? Well if he is truly 85-90 percent of your wideout production then holding him to 100 yards would be considered effective

And all this is said without even mentioning the dreaded I word. What happens when he gets banged up?

 

[Snakehead]

Many people are also making the assumption that Michael Thomas will play 16 games. Thomas is very well conditioned, and I'd say that there's a pretty good chance he does it, but what if he doesn't? Can anyone with a straight face say that they are comfortable with Ted Ginn as the Saints #1 WR. I'm pretty sure our passing game dies if we don't have Michael Thomas. We need to find someone who has the ability to be a #1 if needed but would ideally be a #2 in our offense. I personally like Emmanuel Sanders, and I've been pumping him before anyone...so I really don't need to elaborate any further.

I didn't even want to go there because that is always a possibility. There are numerous reasons why we need a legit WR2 which baffles me that people can't see that. I am not as high on Sanders, but that is just personal preference. WR2 and a young complete TE are areas that would need to be addressed going forward whether it be an in season trade which would more than likely be a stopgap/band aid approach or an actual draft pick investment.

Some have already given up on Arnold and that's understandable, but for a guy with his athletic ability and only a little over a year into the conversion to TE, I still think SP has a vision for him. I'm also not totally against LJH or Butler ascending to a role in the offense going forward, but neither of those guys are Devery/Meach/Cooks or Ginn top of defense role type of guys.

 

[IsraeliSaintsFan]

On the topic of CGM, some interesting numbers about him vs press coverage last week from http://www.nfl.com/photoessays/0ap3...ts-compelling-figures-that-could-shape-week-6:

 

[DMaestro]

And all this is said without even mentioning the dreaded I word. What happens when he gets banged up?

Yup. Having a single point of failure at the WR position in a game as violent as this is simply shortsighted. Mike's an ironman (knock on wood) but he ain't made of iron. I'd hate to have to see Sean Payton try to manufacture a championship-caliber offense out of Kamara and a bunch of spare parts.

 

[FGE413]

I'd be fine with the Saints adding another receiver via trade or bringing in Dez for a workout since he said he'd give us first crack at him.

But yeah, if Thomas is getting open, why not feed him? Also, in the TB game Ginn and Cook caught TD passes (Cook would've had a 2nd TD, but Teddy overthrew him open in the endzone in one of his few mistakes in the game...at the press conference, Teddy admitted he should've had 5 TDs). So I'm not sure it's a totally dire situation, but I would love to see Trequan get healthy because he did have 5 catches until he got hurt sometime in week 2, which wasn't a bad pace for him.

 

[Noble Saint]

So you want every pass to have to be forced? We all are ecstatic to have MT and I love his twitter handle. But let’s be honest, everyone can be covered. Maybe not by many but they can. You get big strong DBs to double him, jam him and blanket him and he will be ineffective. If you think we could play a Belichick defense and have him not figure out a way to neutralize him if he is one of two threats, your kidding yourself. And what does neutralize even mean for a guy like MT? Well if he is truly 85-90 percent of your wideout production then holding him to 100 yards would be considered effective

And all this is said without even mentioning the dreaded I word. What happens when he gets banged up?

This post woke me up. I was starting to think we should throw 10 hail mary’s a game to MT and score a guaranteed 56 points every game.

 

[Noble Saint]

Long story short, we need a legit #2 so we can keep getting multiple matchups that favor the offense.

 

[Snakehead]

I'd be fine with the Saints adding another receiver via trade or bringing in Dez for a workout since he said he'd give us first crack at him.

But yeah, if Thomas is getting open, why not feed him? Also, in the TB game Ginn and Cook caught TD passes (Cook would've had a 2nd TD, but Teddy overthrew him open in the endzone in one of his few mistakes in the game...at the press conference, Teddy admitted he should've had 5 TDs). So I'm not sure it's a totally dire situation, but I would love to see Trequan get healthy because he did have 5 catches until he got hurt sometime in week 2, which wasn't a bad pace for him.

Very true, but up until the TB game Cook was looking like an FA bust even though it was still early in the season and Ginn has never been known for his hands.

The ideal situation is that TQS gets healthy and continues to develop into the Ginn role and his his replacement. He's not as fast as Ginn was in his prime, but he's probably about the same now. UCF receivers are like WVU receivers and it seems to take them awhile to develop into NFL receivers if at all, but he seems to be doing that. I know I am beating a dead horse on here, but I think one of these big bodied guys like LJH, Butler or Hogan may develop into that big slot WR. It's quite possible we have the answers already on the roster, but it we just have to wait to see it come together. TQS getting injured caused a setback in his development so hopefully he gets healthy soon.

Something about having MT and LJH over the middle of the field with Cook running a seam, TQS taking the top off and AK being an outlet in the flat just seems nasty for a team to defend.

 

[FGE413]

I mostly agree, but I think Cook also had a decent game against DAL. Not flashy, but he caught 3 passes without any of the eye-rolling mistakes of the LAR or SEA games.

Very true, but up until the TB game Cook was looking like an FA bust even though it was still early in the season and Ginn has never been known for his hands.

The ideal situation is that TQS gets healthy and continues to develop into the Ginn role and his his replacement. He's not as fast as Ginn was in his prime, but he's probably about the same now. UCF receivers are like WVU receivers and it seems to take them awhile to develop into NFL receivers if at all, but he seems to be doing that. I know I am beating a dead horse on here, but I think one of these big bodied guys like LJH, Butler or Hogan may develop into that big slot WR. It's quite possible we have the answers already on the roster, but it we just have to wait to see it come together. TQS getting injured caused a setback in his development so hopefully he gets healthy soon.

Something about having MT and LJH over the middle of the field with Cook running a seam, TQS taking the top off and AK being an outlet in the flat just seems nasty for a team to defend.

 

[Kyle brister]

Many people are also making the assumption that Michael Thomas will play 16 games. Thomas is very well conditioned, and I'd say that there's a pretty good chance he does it, but what if he doesn't? Can anyone with a straight face say that they are comfortable with Ted Ginn as the Saints #1 WR. I'm pretty sure our passing game dies if we don't have Michael Thomas. We need to find someone who has the ability to be a #1 if needed but would ideally be a #2 in our offense. I personally like Emmanuel Sanders, and I've been pumping him before anyone...so I really don't need to elaborate any further.

I'm pretty sure our passing game won't die. Was it dead before Thomas? I wonder how Drew got to 60,000 yards before Thomas.

 

[Nola20094EVA]

Here's why the Saints need a number-two WR behind Michael Thomas

[jwplayer jPFc1ZbG] Michael Thomas is an elite wide receiver in the NFL. He leads the league in catches (45) and receiving yards (543), reeling in 81.8% of his targets from all three of the New Orl…

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This has to be about the most illogical reason for making a griping point I've ever read. Teddy Bridgewater is 3-0 with the 4th best completion percentage in football & this genius wants the Saints to quit targeting Michael Thomas because why? He catches TOO MANY PASSES. Well genius article writer. Maybe if their was somebody else on the team, or in the whole league for that matter who could get himself open & catch that high a percentage of passes they would. Do you realize Mr. article writer that every single interception this team has had has come off the hands of one of our other receivers? And I highly doubt that any other team is going to be in the mood to just ship their most dependable guy to us because they like us. So what is your point? Oh, that's right, you don't have one. Please find something else to complain about besides a guy who catches over 80% of the passes thrown his way, or a QB who has one of the highest completion percentages in football.

Oh snap, you want us to sign one Dezmond Bryant because he will make the difference, correct? Well let's examine the facts: If you go to the 16th column on the link below you will see that says catch %. Please do take note of Mr. Bryant's remarkable production over the last three years before he tore his achilles on day one of practice for the Saints. I see 43% for 2015, 52% for 2016, & 52% for 2017 ( 2018 is INCOMPLETE). The man's last good year was 5 years ago in 2014. Maybe I'm dead wrong, but wouldn't there be a reason why the Cowboys who desperately traded for a wideout last season released him before his injury? So if my interpretation of this article is correct, you want the Saints to waste time on a guy who catches half his targets so we don't have to throw to a guy who is an all world clutch catching machine that catches over 80% of his targets? Cest Tou

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I love Thomas as much as any of y’all but when you play a mad genius such as Belichick you need to diversify as he loves to eliminate the opponents 1st and 2nd fav options and boy does he do a great job. I hate the prick but can’t deny his greatness at doing so. He basically says if you’re gonna beat the pats you are not gonna do it with your best players and in 41 years I’ve never seen someone basically slap you in the face with the obvious. Go figure he was a Parcells clone like someone else we love lol

 

[sammymvpknight]

I'm pretty sure our passing game won't die. Was it dead before Thomas? I wonder how Drew got to 60,000 yards before Thomas.

Teddy isn’t Drew. And Drew always has had a much better receiver cast outside of its #1 WR outside of the past two seasons. The last two seasons the offense worked largely because the running game was often dominant with Ingram and Kamara, and Kamara could legitimately serve as a WR. The drop off from Kamara to Murray is substantially making it more difficult to see Kamara as a WR. This is easily the most shallow skilled position group Brees has ever had. Our entire offense is depended on Kamara and Thomas staying healthy.

2006- Horn, Colston, Henderson
2007- Colston, Henderson, Moore
2008- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Shockey
2009- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Meachem, Shockey
2010- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Meachem, Shockey, Graham
2011- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Meachem, Graham
2012- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Graham
2013- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Stills, Graham
2014- Colston, Cooks, Stills, Meachem, Graham, Watson
2015- Colston, Cooks, Watson, Snead
2016- Thomas, Cooks, Snead
2017- Thomas, Ginn
2018- Thomas, Ginn

 

[Kyle brister]

Teddy isn’t Drew. And Drew always has had a much better receiver cast outside of its #1 WR outside of the past two seasons. The last two seasons the offense worked largely because the running game was often dominant with Ingram and Kamara, and Kamara could legitimately serve as a WR. The drop off from Kamara to Murray is substantially making it more difficult to see Kamara as a WR. This is easily the most shallow skilled position group Brees has ever had. Our entire offense is depended on Kamara and Thomas staying healthy.

2006- Horn, Colston, Henderson
2007- Colston, Henderson, Moore
2008- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Shockey
2009- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Meachem, Shockey
2010- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Meachem, Shockey, Graham
2011- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Meachem, Graham
2012- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Graham
2013- Colston, Henderson, Moore, Stills, Graham
2014- Colston, Cooks, Stills, Meachem, Graham, Watson
2015- Colston, Cooks, Watson, Snead
2016- Thomas, Cooks, Snead
2017- Thomas, Ginn
2018- Thomas, Ginn

I didn't realize the Saints only had two receivers on their roster. I appreciate the time you took to make your point & I think you are a great poster. Having said that, you also showed that you have a very subjective biased position based on who you like & who you don't. I know a guy that works for the Advertiser who hated Lance Moore. So no matter how well Moore played, he was always the midget receiver. I notice you don't have Josh Hill, or Jared Cook listed & you don't have Watson listed his last season here. What is your criteria?

 

[sammymvpknight]

I didn't realize the Saints only had two receivers on their roster. I appreciate the time you took to make your point & I think you are a great poster. Having said that, you also showed that you have a very subjective biased position based on who you like & who you don't. I know a guy that works for the Advertiser who hated Lance Moore. So no matter how well Moore played, he was always the midget receiver. I notice you don't have Josh Hill, or Jared Cook listed & you don't have Watson listed his last season here. What is your criteria?

I only included players I thought were significant contributors, so I didn’t include the Brandon Coleman’s of the world nor Meachem his rookie season. I do understand that there is some subjectivity.
The Saints #3-4 WRs have a combined 6 catches this season...and most of that was week 1. It has been just about completely Thomas with a sprinkle of Ginn at the WR position.