Still feels odd to me that we have opened up so much cap space (99 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

If the last few years are to be viewed as a blueprint, we generally have only restructured guys once we have the services of a respective free agent we want to sign secured.

I’ve never seen us basically max out the restructures ahead of time.

I really wonder if we have a trade getting ready to be processed at 4 pm (et) today.

 

[football]

In my years of being here on this forum, I never argue or discuss anything involving cap numbers or players contract. I don't understand it and choose not to understand it. I see way too many overreaction and assumptions. I am not a gm, agents, lawyers, or contract experts. How Loomis move numbers around to meet deadlines and sign free agent is impressive, I will admit.

 

[meily]

Teams do it every year.

 

[Stalwart385]

If the last few years are to be viewed as a blueprint, we generally have only restructured guys once we have the services of a respective free agent we want to sign secured.

I’ve never seen us basically max out the restructures ahead of time.

I really wonder if we have a trade getting ready to be processed at 4 pm today.

Maybe.

It doesn't really matter though, considering the extra cap you have rolls into next year. It may be future planned deals, it maybe be a budget plan that doesn't get filled or it may be a deal that fell through (like Ward). Again, it doesn't really matter as long as you have enough room to function this year. Any extra space will get passed to next year like you never restructured if you don't use it.

 

[SAINTSFAN]

If the last few years are to be viewed as a blueprint, we generally have only restructured guys once we have the services of a respective free agent we want to sign secured.

I’ve never seen us basically max out the restructures ahead of time.

I really wonder if we have a trade getting ready to be processed at 4 pm today.

There are still some contracts not on OTC yet. I would think we will see an OL signing at some point. I don't think we are done in free agency.

 

[TalleyHo1]

If the last few years are to be viewed as a blueprint, we generally have only restructured guys once we have the services of a respective free agent we want to sign secured.

I’ve never seen us basically max out the restructures ahead of time.

I really wonder if we have a trade getting ready to be processed at 4 pm today.

Did you see/read the article by Albert Breer about the Saints and Carr? Its a pretty interesting read and take. Basically, even with the Carr re-structure, there appears to still be some rumblings behind the scenes that Carr playing NO in 2025 is not set in stone and they COULD trade him. It would be an after June 1 trade IF it were to happen. I'll see if I can find it.

 

[St. Geezy]

Teams do it every year.

Teams do it, but we haven’t. Could just be a change in how we do things, but we normally work to get under the cap, then sit. Sign a free agent, then restructure.

Can’t remember the last time we’ve had this much excess space without a pending transaction being in the picture TBH.

Just an observation worth monitoring IMO, that’s all.

 

[St. Geezy]

Did you see/read the article by Albert Breer about the Saints and Carr? Its a pretty interesting read and take. Basically, even with the Carr re-structure, there appears to still be some rumblings behind the scenes that Carr playing NO in 2025 is not set in stone and they COULD trade him. It would be an after June 1 trade IF it were to happen. I'll see if I can find it.

No I have not seen that one. I’d be very surprised.

 

[St. Widge]

There are still some contracts not on OTC yet. I would think we will see an OL signing at some point. I don't think we are done in free agency.

Yep. It sounds like they are still looking for a starting CB, an interior OL, and want to bring back Patrick as a backup. So I think they have plans for the money.

Also, I think if they don't re-sing Tanoh by the start of the new league year today they take a $1.88 million dead money hit. Not sure if that's taken into account with the numbers or not.

 

[Chuck McGill Esq.]

No I have not seen that one. I’d be very surprised.

Takeaways: Inside the Josh Allen and Maxx Crosby Deals

The contracts do more than make two of the best players in the NFL richer. Plus, more on the Geno Smith trade, Sam Darnold and Myles Garrett’s record deal.

www.si.com

 

[kewee]

If the last few years are to be viewed as a blueprint, we generally have only restructured guys once we have the services of a respective free agent we want to sign secured.

I’ve never seen us basically max out the restructures ahead of time.

I really wonder if we have a trade getting ready to be processed at 4 pm today.

Lol, I remember seeing many posts suggesting this in the past, only for nothing to really happen

Not saying nothing will happen, I'm just sayin'

 

[Doug B]

The Saints got into an unusual cap crunch around the 2020-2021 seasons because (a) Brees stayed on for the 2020 season instead of retiring, and (b) the 2020 or 2021 cap (I forget) actually dropped (due to COVID) instead of increasing as it had every other year of the current CBA.

The Brees void-year money still being on the Saints' books through (I should look it up, but I'll wing it) 2023 or so got a lot of attention and was easy clickbait fodder.

Without that bad-timing stuff** going down, the Saints' cap situation would've never gotten the media attention that it did. And now the story has run its course, but the Twitterverse never got the memo. Such is life.

** A pandemic leading to a year-over-year decrease in league revenue AND Brees staying on one season longer than the team planned. And without the NOLA No-Call ... Brees probably retires for sure after 2019 -- or even goes out as a champ after 2018, making the cap situation all the better. Oh well.

 

[Stalwart385]

Did you see/read the article by Albert Breer about the Saints and Carr? Its a pretty interesting read and take. Basically, even with the Carr re-structure, there appears to still be some rumblings behind the scenes that Carr playing NO in 2025 is not set in stone and they COULD trade him. It would be an after June 1 trade IF it were to happen. I'll see if I can find it.

He made a contradictory statement unless I'm reading something wrong.

First he says:

I’m not sure the Derek Carr saga is over yet

Then in detail he say:

...doing the conversion now makes it illogical for the team to trade him. In doing it, they took money from his $30 million base for 2025 and turned it into a signing bonus. You can’t reverse that. So if the Saints trade him now, they’d be putting themselves on the hook for bonus money, then moving him off the roster, which makes no sense.

So I'm not really sure what he's trying to say there? To me it makes no sense to trade him after you just guaranteed paying his 30mil salary. I would only see that if Carr refuses to play unless they trade him. Sounds like a lot of nothing and he just typed a headline to grab attention and nothing was really behind it.

 

[St. Geezy]

Takeaways: Inside the Josh Allen and Maxx Crosby Deals

The contracts do more than make two of the best players in the NFL richer. Plus, more on the Geno Smith trade, Sam Darnold and Myles Garrett’s record deal.

www.si.com

I think Albert is thinking too hard on that one. Doesn’t sound like any sort of rumblings from sources or anything, just his own speculation. Seems like a bit of a reach.

That restructure has us pretty locked-in I believe.

 

[Chuck McGill Esq.]

He made a contradictory statement unless I'm reading something wrong.

First he says:


Then in detail he say:


So I'm not really sure what he's trying to say there? To me it makes no sense to trade him after you just guaranteed paying his 30mil salary. I would only see that if Carr refuses to play unless they trade him. Sounds like a lot of nothing and he just typed a headline to grab attention and nothing was really behind it.

I read it as Derek Carr had not resolved his side of the talks and dispute yet so Albert is saying it is possible things could change. The Saints didn't consult with Carr in restructuring. It was completely unilateral (as was their right). I inferred that Albert is suggesting it's possible that Carr is so disillusioned he will push to be traded. That is just a guess on Albert's part.