Still feels odd to me that we have opened up so much cap space (66 Viewers)

[SigFreudianSlip]

The Saints had zero leverage to ask Carr for or get a pay cut. It's such a non-issue. Carr was right to say it as a pre-emptive way of saying, 'hey, you gave me a contract, the crap is not my fault, don't even think of projecting leverage over me you do not have.' Also at issue at the time was the threat hanging over the Saints that if Carr could not pass a physical with his injuries, he would have been guaranteed a $30M roster bonus.

Carr was just saying that 'business is business,' and whatever money you committed to him was his, period.

Now some of you are wondering if the Saints are going to flush Carr and another $17M June 1 or later, and for what exactly in return? Nothing worth $17M, that's for sure. That's a dead money charge on the 2025 cap and does not free up any new money. They just resolved and restructured for him to stay, so pivoting away from him makes no sense.

This is far more business decision than embrace of this player, as we all likely agree he is not the future.

Everything else you read or hear is alot of useless noise, in my opinion.

The headline of Carr's restructure is that they would prefer to pay his exit bill off the 2026 cap, when it may be less painful than having done it in 2025.

Totally agree. I do not blame DC at all, not one bit.Teams screw over players all the time.

I do very much hope that this is Carr’s last on the team, wish him well and thank him for his services but he’s just not the future imo.

I’ll be very sad (football wise) if he is here next season too.

 

[football]

I just want the team to win. As we all do. Whether they manage the cap this way or another way I care not, as long as we’re winning.

And I don’t fully understand it either.

Yeah...I passed through all the cap discussion. I can't add onto it if I don't know what I am talking about.

 

[SuperSaint]

It's the way they do it. They're experts at it.

No other team in the league does it quite the same way.

 

[B4YOU]

Did you see/read the article by Albert Breer about the Saints and Carr? Its a pretty interesting read and take. Basically, even with the Carr re-structure, there appears to still be some rumblings behind the scenes that Carr playing NO in 2025 is not set in stone and they COULD trade him. It would be an after June 1 trade IF it were to happen. I'll see if I can find it.

There is a 0% chance of Carr with zero playoff wins and a 40M contract being traded after June 1. Rodgers and Wilson are SB winners looking for a job and Daniel Jones with 1 playoff win just signed for 14M.

 

[St. Geezy]

Welp, this was a bust. Guess we are just doing things differently.

There’s still time though, I guess.

 

[St. Widge]

There is a 0% chance of Carr with zero playoff wins and a 40M contract being traded after June 1. Rodgers and Wilson are SB winners looking for a job and Daniel Jones with 1 playoff win just signed for 14M.

I highly doubt it happens, but the only reason it would is because if someone trades for Carr now they only have to pay him around the vet minimum because we are paying the vast majority of his salary in the form of a bonus. But it would mean that Gayle is paying $30 million for a draft pick while Carr plays on another team. I seriously doubt that happens.

 

[texasjefe]

I agree with all of this, but fans have been looking at this through the eyes of the team. From Carr's perspective, it's time for an extension. He doesn't want to be a bridge to nowhere (for him).

In a perfect world from Carr's perspective, the Saints would be division champ and both he and DA would be getting long term extensions this offseason. The coach got fired mid-season and he's basically playing on a one year deal. Starting QB's don't play on a one year deal very often. I could see an extend me or trade me attitude from the Carr camp. We will see.

Yes, through Derek's eyes, that could possibly be all or part of how he views this.

The Saints and Derek just signed a contract that carries a $17M dead cap charge if they move him after June 1.

So, if Derek were to protest by demanding a trade or holding out, what would the Saints care?

If the Saints draft a QB in 6 weeks with a 1st or 2nd pick, how will Derek handle that, even though there's nothing wrong with it.

The only way a demand market opens up for Derek Carr is if a team loses their starter during training camp, and kinda desperately inquires about Derek Carr.

I just think Carr's contract and roster position is solid for 2025 and everything else is noise..

 

[kewee]

Welp, this was a bust. Guess we are just doing things differently.

There’s still time though, I guess.

I'm not dissapointed because I knew nothing would happen

 

[StudioSaint]

I think Albert is thinking too hard on that one. Doesn’t sound like any sort of rumblings from sources or anything, just his own speculation. Seems like a bit of a reach.

That restructure has us pretty locked-in I believe.

This is the common practice now with internet "journalism." Write a definitive sounding headline that will get people to click on the headline.

Lead off with a statement that basically repeats the definitive headline, because most people stop reading after the first sentence or paragraph.

In the following sentences and paragraphs, reveal that you are only stating an opinion or speculation. Very few people read that part of the article or they miss the subtle word clues that reveal the author is speculating and not actually reporting information from sources.

 

[StudioSaint]

Rumblings by whom? It doesn't seem to be coming from the HC unless it's behind the scenes. And I don't think it matters if it comes from anywhere else.

The most important thing is that Carr and Moore are good with each other, and that Carr and the players are good with each other. Nothing else matters much for the team being a cohesive unit outside of that. There have been zero credible speculations that Carr and Moore have a problem with each other or that Carr and the players have a problem with each other.

 

[Chuck McGill Esq.]

Welp, this was a bust. Guess we are just doing things differently.

There’s still time though, I guess.

It’s about the posts we made and read along the way.

 

[DSnfla]

I don’t understand why we need to hear from Carr. Aside from the typical social media chatter box type guys (which Carr generally isn’t) most of these restructurees have been quiet.

We aren’t seeing any press conferences from guys that have been restructured and hardly anyone is talking about much of anything. We haven’t heard from like 95% of the roster yet on how they feel about Moore.

I do think Carr understandably has grown a dislike for the city/fans with the way he’s been treated, and he knows anything he says will just be met with more backlash, so he’s laying low just like virtually everyone else is this time of year.

Yup, If DC held a presser with powdered sugar from Beignets wearing a Mr Bingle T-shirt and started by saying "W'yat New Awlins I love you" he would still be blasted. You only give what you get , and Carr has got nothing but hate since before he stepped foot on Airline

 

[StudioSaint]

You guys seriously need to get past this.

Right!? Dudes, the Saints are just not that into your opinions about Carr, building a team, or salary cap management. You gotta let go and move on.

 

[No2DC]

Why? We do it every year, usually mid-tier guys. Plus, we never go into a draft with "needs."

 

[TalleyHo1]

There is a 0% chance of Carr with zero playoff wins and a 40M contract being traded after June 1. Rodgers and Wilson are SB winners looking for a job and Daniel Jones with 1 playoff win just signed for 14M.

I agree.