The journey of Chris Ivory: Dismissed, discarded and, finally, celebrated (2 Viewers)

[Guitarzan]

Dragging tacklers? Get real.

Get real?


I'd rather be like you and get lost.

 

[Guitarzan]

Dragging tacklers? Get real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyHn2WAYiTc

 

[Cincy Saint]

While it's tough for me to see Ivory succeed as a Jet while Ingram struggles this year, it may not be that the Saints coaching staff made a mistake. Perhaps Ivory got better.

Likewise, Ivory has always been a burly, bruising bowling ball of knives, but what looks different this year is how he’s attacking the line of scrimmage. Ivory is taking more time behind the line to find his running lane and he’s getting farther upfield before taking contact in the process; he’s averaging 2.73 yards before contact this season, up from 2.06 yards before contact in 2014.

And note that means that the Jets coaching staff didn't magically make him better as 2014 is the comparison year.

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[Guitarzan]

While it's tough for me to see Ivory succeed as a Jet while Ingram struggles this year, it may not be that the Saints coaching staff made a mistake. Perhaps Ivory got better.



And note that means that the Jets coaching staff didn't magically make him better as 2014 is the comparison year.

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Please click the link on the video just above your post and watch Ingram beat the penetration-- which would blow up most runs-- and struggle to carry tacklers into the endzone.

 

[BoNcHiE]

Please click the link on the video just above your post and watch Ingram beat the penetration-- which would blow up most runs-- and struggle to carry tacklers into the endzone.

No one denies Ingram's ability around the goal line. He's proven to be excellent in that role.

But otherwise, he's not run well. We can sugarcoat it, make excuses, or pretend that a TD negates ten other bad runs, but 3.5YPC is bad. Period. He's been a bad running back between the 10s this year. Period.

 

[Guitarzan]

No one denies Ingram's ability around the goal line. He's proven to be excellent in that role.

But otherwise, he's not run well. We can sugarcoat it, make excuses, or pretend that a TD negates ten other bad runs, but 3.5YPC is bad. Period. He's been a bad running back between the 10s this year. Period.

Well, I have to disagree. When he's got decent running lanes he runs well. The holes aren't there very often.

 

[UptownFuz504]

No one denies Ingram's ability around the goal line. He's proven to be excellent in that role.

But otherwise, he's not run well. We can sugarcoat it, make excuses, or pretend that a TD negates ten other bad runs, but 3.5YPC is bad. Period. He's been a bad running back between the 10s this year. Period.

So KRob's 3.9ypc is an upgrade?

 

[bobad]

I haven't gone thru this thread to see who or what prompted your comment in defense of Ivory's so-called fumbling issue........but I really would love to know where he's getting that reputation from. Literally within this past week, me and another Saints fan were having a discussion about Saints RBs over the years......and Ivory was brought up. This guy, who by and large is a fairly knowledgeable fan of the Saints and not just some drive-by fan who suddenly noticed New Orleans had a team in 2009, said....and I quote.........."the only thing you had to watch with Ivory was that he'd sometimes fumble".

The guy lost 2 fumbles EVER as a Saint....both of which were in his rookie season. I would genuinely love to know what prompted this fumbling reputation. People on this forum have said it.........people NOT on this forum have said it......where are they getting it from? Considering Brees threw over 20 INTs in 2010, I think I can live with an undrafted rookie RB turning it over twice and then never doing so again, while leading the team in rushing yards and averaging over 5 YPC that same season...

Edit: for perspective, Deuce McCallister lost 13.....yes, THIRTEEN LOST FUMBLES in his career. And I'm pretty sure I never heard any Saints fans put the "fumbler" label on him. I'm gonna assume that some of those were bad exchanges on handoffs from Brooks that ended up being "credited" (gee thanks for the credit, right?) to Deuce. Still, 13 is 13. Obviously Deuce carried the ball a lot more than the likes of Ivory, Ingram, Pierre, etc........so he should get more room for error.............but it goes to show a guy like Deuce can LOSE a double-digit number of fumbles (he had 20 actual fumbles), and not even get the slightest hint of a "fumbler" label, but Ivory turns it over twice as a rookie and it somehow stays with him...

Great comment!

I guess backup players who come from low places don't get the benefit of the doubt on fumbles.

 

[bobad]

Well, I have to disagree. When he's got decent running lanes he runs well. The holes aren't there very often.

Agree.

Ingram is not chopped liver. With a good OL, and a scheme committed to the run, I think he could be a 1000 yd rusher. I think Khiry is a bit more versatile, but about the same talent level as Ingram.

 

[kcirdor]

Heh... look at that.. Brees is quoted as saying the RUN opens everything else up. Imagine that.

 

[Guitarzan]

Agree.

Ingram is not chopped liver. With a good OL, and a scheme committed to the run, I think he could be a 1000 yd rusher. I think Khiry is a bit more versatile, but about the same talent level as Ingram.

And I'm happy to say that when Ingram has a decent hole to run through he does well.

 

[SystemShock]

So how 'bout that Pats-Jets game?

 

[Loco Hornet Fan]

Agree.

Ingram is not chopped liver. With a good OL, and a scheme committed to the run, I think he could be a 1000 yd rusher. I think Khiry is a bit more versatile, but about the same talent level as Ingram.

With the job that Ingram has been doing as a receiver this year and as a blocker, I'm not sure I would say Robinson has more versatility. Just my opinion.