Article This Season May Be Last Chance For Trevor Penning To Prove His Worth For New Orleans Saints (1 Viewer)

[Jesse Custer]

Thanks for explaining.

This sounds like it’s something that is fixable.

It's possible. The potential is there, but his development has been soooooo stunted that it may not ever really show up. It's frustrating watching film of him because you are guaranteed to say, "wow" after each play, but it's a coin toss as to which way you mean it. Put it like this: it's like watching Jameis against the Vikings last season. Penning has all-world potential, but he's running out of time to prove he even belongs on an NFL roster. He fixes one thing and then something else shows up. But he was improving in the last few games he started last season and I think he took the bullet for Ram having an incredibly bad game against the Packers.

 

[DerrickB]

You can scroll Paras’ feed the same way I can.

This Penning clip has over 100 replies (including quotes) - the rest of today’s clips he posted have 22 combined

Yesterday - Carr missing on one pass got over 200 replies including quotes. All the rest of his videos got 63 replies total, and 20+ of those came from him asking a question about a play.

That’s over 300 responses that I guarantee you contain nothing positive, encouraging, or helpful - and it’s all coming from the frickin’ fanbase. This isn’t the rest of the league dunking on the Falcons for 28-3, it’s not even Falcons fans pointing and laughing. It’s US. Doing it to the players on OUR FAVORITE TEAM. And you can’t say “it’s one rep, no big deal, the defender wins those sometimes” because then it’s your head getting ripped off. I don’t know where or when this attitude of “I’m gonna show my behind while dogging out the team and get cool points with everybody” crap comes from but it’s giving grade school.

Fans will be fans, plan and simple.
But if that's how you view it, then that's how you view it.

I don't agree with the overreaction to clips, but you can't control how people feel.

 

[St. Geezy]

He's a slow-footed O-lineman who somehow has a great 40, 10yd and 20yd split, and a better 3-cone than Terron Armstead. I think people are seeing slow feet instead of false steps. Which is admittedly easy to do when you don't do film study of All-22 footage regularly. I'm still just seeing a false-step hitch after the snap rather than him actually having slow feet.

Great analysis. I see a lot of false steps, bad technique, horrible leverage, and also a lack of spunk/confidence. He isn’t playing with that edge he showed in college, where he was able to be the big bully out there.

The leverage and technique issues are making him play a lot “weaker” than he is. Guys easily getting underneath him, guys easily tricking him and speed rushing right past him, etc. We know he’s a big and strong man, however guys are just manhandling him out there.

I’m not sure if the technique issues he’s having are able to be taught. There are a lot of big and strong linemen that just don’t have that natural, “Apply my grown man strength properly” trait. At this level, there’s only so much coaching up one can do. At some point, we just have to accept that some guys have the gift and others don’t.

There are plenty of OL with Penning’s athleticism (or better) that just flat-out can’t play.

 

[Saint KayBee]

Fans will be fans, plan and simple.
But if that's how you view it, then that's how you view it.

I don't agree with the overreaction to clips, but you can't control how people feel.

Thank you for permitting me to have my viewpoint

 

[CowtownSaint]

Don’t want to be this guy but this season is it for him he shows he can do it or not I don’t think we waste any more time on him beyond this season if he’s showing no returns. Where’s that big bully we all expected?

 

[St. Geezy]

For what it’s worth…

 

[No2DC]

He's a 1st round pick they're going to give him 5,000 chances. We've seen this movie before with the string of questionable line picks.

 

[Snakehead]

Unfortunately I think we both know Cam is starting to show his age. I’m just hoping at this stage that he can still flash for us every now and then and make a big play or two at a critical moment.

We need these young guys to step up.

Starting? Cam's been showing his age for a few years, but we have fans with Daredevil's eyesight and excuses as long a CVS receipts.

 

[0rion]

In the first few games last season, I thought Penning's play was terrible. I dove deep into All-22 with a focus on the OL. The last couple of games before being benched, he played better—very pedestrian, but better. I'm not overly optimistic, but there is hope with him.

I'm really rooting for him. I loved watching his tape after being drafted and spent some time with my 11 year old son watching it and showing my son what fire looks like. We have that connection to him now so I really want him to succeed. My son physically has what it takes to be a good lineman...what he lacks is that fire. He's such a happy go lucky kid which isn't a bad thing...until you're in pads on a field.

 

[Andrus]

He's a slow-footed O-lineman who somehow has a great 40, 10yd and 20yd split, and a better 3-cone than Terron Armstead. I think people are seeing slow feet instead of false steps. Which is admittedly easy to do when you don't do film study of All-22 footage regularly. I'm still just seeing a false-step hitch after the snap rather than him actually having slow feet.

Good point! I never saw it as much as his slow feet, but as you stated, false steps. I thought this was due to his uncertainty, which also led to his displaying a slow reaction time. The kid wasn't playing with much confidence and still looked raw last season.

What I thought might happen, and what I was hoping would happen, was that the Saints would take two Tackles early in the draft, and then if Penning didn't pan out at tackle, there would then be the option to move him inside to play guard, where I think he might do much better in the short term. However, it's hard to blame the Saints for taking McKinstry where they did, as he appeared to be a real value pick, and the uncertainty of what they would do with Lattimore, which, at the time, it appeared that a trade was forthcoming.

I apologize if I'm being harsh, but I don't see where I was wrong at.
I'm just trying see where Matt is posting clips to start outrage. I went to his page to see his clips to understand what's the fuss about and just don't see where his work is pushing the outrage. But oh well.

My response wasn't so much aimed at you as it was the entire forum. You are not part of any issue that I have. I apologize if that was the impression you came away with. I tend to use responses to posts to make points for the purpose of trying to guide the discourse in the desired direction.

 

[DerrickB]

Good point! I never saw it as much as his slow feet, but as you stated, false steps. I thought this was due to his uncertainty, which also led to his displaying a slow reaction time. The kid wasn't playing with much confidence and still looked raw last season.

What I thought might happen, and what I was hoping would happen, was that the Saints would take two Tackles early in the draft, and then if Penning didn't pan out at tackle, there would then be the option to move him inside to play guard, where I think he might do much better in the short term. However, it's hard to blame the Saints for taking McKinstry where they did, as he appeared to be a real value pick, and the uncertainty of what they would do with Lattimore, which, at the time, it appeared that a trade was forthcoming.


My response wasn't so much aimed at you as it was the entire forum. You are not part of any issue that I have. I apologize if that was the impression you came away with. I tend to use responses to posts to make points for the purpose of trying to guide the discourse in the desired direction.

No worries Sir

 

[Koketsu_Sama]

Chickens. You can only eat when you catch the chicken. Didn't Mickie use this on Rocky to better his foot speed? Or how about the old NES running pads, or one of those dance dance revolution games. Make a game of it

 

[Cajun Chat]

The Saints aren't giving up on Trevor Penning just yet, but their success, and perhaps his career, hinges on his ability at a new position

Bob Rose | Jun 20, 2024​

With the 19th overall choice in the first round of the 2022 NFL Draft, the New Orleans Saints selected OT Trevor Penning out of Northern Iowa. The second of two first-round picks by the Saints that year (WR Chris Olave), Penning was the fourth offensive tackle and sixth offensive lineman chosen.

Facing a big leap in competition from FCS Northern Iowa to the NFL, Penning was still expected to replace the departed Terron Armstead at left tackle. An up-and-down training camp was concluded with a foot injury in the preseason finale that would further stunt Penning's development.

The injury would cause Penning to miss the first 11 games of his rookie year in 2022. Once healthy, he'd come off the bench as an extra lineman in jumbo packages for five games, seeing a total of 66 offensive snaps.

Penning got his first NFL start in the season finale against Carolina. He held up reasonably well in pass protection and flashed some excellent power as a run blocker....

This Season May Be Last Chance For Trevor Penning To Prove His Worth For New Orleans Saints

The Saints aren't giving up on Trevor Penning just yet, but their success, and perhaps his career, hinges on his ability at a new position

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Fair article by Rose. Which reminded me that today we saw the clip below, and some members reacted harsh toward Penning over it.



Not making excuses for Penning, as he hasn't measured up, but keep in mind that the drill seen in the clip may not be a full go, or as Payton would have called it, "We're going live." I've been to many training camp practices where you see even the best Offensive lineman get beat in non-live action drills. So, I wouldn't read too much into a clip like that. I would withhold judgment until we see him perform in live action.

I think it's his third year and time's up. If the light doesn't go on quickly, you could see him exit the league quickly after the season. He just looks lost. Hopefully that awful year that was 2023 will be forgotten and he contributes at a decent level. I'm not holding my breath.

 

[boutte]

Unfortunately I think we both know Cam is starting to show his age. I’m just hoping at this stage that he can still flash for us every now and then and make a big play or two at a critical moment.

We need these young guys to step up.

He's still a top tier run defender.

 

[Belfast Saint]

That clip of 1 v 1 pass rush is him oversetting and not having his balance/weight on his inside leg and adjusting too late to the rusher. It isn't good though 1 v 1 pass rush is a drill which favours the DL.

I think all of his issues are fundamentally correctable to the point you can get really solid tackle play out of him. But he's got to correct the issues, there has to be improvement. One clip or anecdotal practice notes don't tell the whole story but it's not painting a positive picture. But he'll need to improve, and quickly. If he doesn't, he'll be replaced. I trust that whoever starts at RT for game 1 will be the best choice of the options we have available to us.