Time to go West Coast (1 Viewer)

[Rouxble]

It's mind boggling to me that we can't get Olave or Shaheed in space running on some shallow crossing concepts. Heck, make the refs call OPI on some pick plays.

When we do, it works. Yet we go back to sending 3+ receivers deep and the defense is ready for it more often than not.

 

[bclemms]

Not directed at you, but I find it humorous that every time our offense shows some life it is generally credited to Gruden, and when the offense struggles we need to bring him in.

This. If we bring someone in, it needs to be someone that is taking us toward the modern NFL, not the past.

 

[Taker597]

None of our QBs would have much success against good team running a lot of West Coast.

 

[Rouxble]

Added this to my list on the OP:

When Carr holds the ball more than 2.5 seconds, he has the second worst accuracy rate (behind only Zach Wilson) and the sixth worst sack rate in the league. He is middle of the pack when getting the ball out sooner, which is not great but better than being among the worst.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

None of our QBs would have much success against good team running a lot of West Coast.

Exactly...examples given...the first 3 games of the season.

We keep compacting the field...we're going to get more QBs injured. JMHO based on what we've already tried

 

[Rouxble]

Exactly...examples given...the first 3 games of the season.

We keep compacting the field...we're going to get more QBs injured. JMHO based on what we've already tried.

Throwing short passes is the only thing we’ve done well so far this season in our base offense. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a check down, but we need more throws to occur at the end of a 3/5 step drop. Jameis was actually cooking the last drive with the rhythm passing game but our team started running random routes to break up the plays. We should have closed out the game with a chip shot field goal with no time left.

 

[Rouxble]

None of our QBs would have much success against good team running a lot of West Coast.

It’s more about the philosophy of getting the ball out quick and using short passes for your ball control offense instead of slamming an RB into a brick wall for another second and long. Eventually the defense has to compress and/or stretch, and that opens opportunities for runs into light boxes or deep passes.

On the first play of the game this season, we took advantage of a team compressing the field for one of our horizontal stretch concepts. The #1 WR on the spacing concept will run a fade against a press or cloud corner instead of the hitch to take advantage of a defense trying to crowd underneath space. Carr gets the ball out of his hands immediately and makes the play. A similar concept was ran several times last year, but Dalton either wouldn’t throw the fade or couldn’t hit it when he tried.

On the other side of the field is the stick concept, the QB picks the side with the best look and gets the ball out fast after a quick 1-2-3 read.


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[0rion]

Throwing short passes is the only thing we’ve done well so far this season in our base offense. It doesn’t necessarily need to be a check down, but we need more throws to occur at the end of a 3/5 step drop. Jameis was actually cooking the last drive with the rhythm passing game but our team started running random routes to break up the plays. We should have closed out the game with a chip shot field goal with no time left.

Average FG length in 2022 was 39.9 yards so we weren't far off of a chip shot anyhow.

 

[Rouxble]

Average FG length in 2022 was 39.9 yards so we weren't far off of a chip shot anyhow.

I think kickers miss at least one out of five from 40+, but more importantly there was over a minute left on the clock for GB to get in field goal range. Our defense has no answers in the 4th so a couple of extra series could have given us a shot at a walk off FG.

 

[Taker597]

It’s more about the philosophy of getting the ball out quick and using short passes for your ball control offense instead of slamming an RB into a brick wall for another second and long. Eventually the defense has to compress and/or stretch, and that opens opportunities for runs into light boxes or deep passes.

On the first play of the game this season, we took advantage of a team compressing the field for one of our horizontal stretch concepts. The #1 WR on the spacing concept will run a fade against a press or cloud corner instead of the hitch to take advantage of a defense trying to crowd underneath space. Carr gets the ball out of his hands immediately and makes the play. A similar concept was ran several times last year, but Dalton either wouldn’t throw the fade or couldn’t hit it when he tried.

On the other side of the field is the stick concept, the QB picks the side with the best look and gets the ball out fast after a quick 1-2-3 read.


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But we don't have the QBs with that kind of patience. Winston and Carr are gunslingers. They aren't crazy consistently accurate to make perfect passes for 7 yards.

They'll get instant success against bad teams for sure, but a good defense will smoother that offense and create turnovers.

If you want the offense to have sustainable success. They need more motion for one, but better play design and calls that really make sense.

Seeing Landon Young go one on one with a top pass rusher in a jumbo set doesn't fix with a philosophy change that doesn't build on the strength of either QBs.

 

[Rouxble]

But we don't have the QBs with that kind of patience. Winston and Carr are gunslingers. They aren't crazy consistently accurate to make perfect passes for 7 yards.

They'll get instant success against bad teams for sure, but a good defense will smoother that offense and create turnovers.

If you want the offense to have sustainable success. They need more motion for one, but better play design and calls that really make sense.

Seeing Landon Young go one on one with a top pass rusher in a jumbo set doesn't fix with a philosophy change that doesn't build on the strength of either QBs.

A lot of the good offenses in the league are running those types of plays. All the motion is just window dressing, and I don't think that motion is a cure all. Two of the top five teams for using motion on pass plays are in the bottom ten for passing success rate (Green Bay and Atlanta).

The idea isn't to run those plays 100% of the time, but you run them until the defense steps down to stop them. We are sending three receivers deep and the entire pass defense is waiting beyond the sticks to cover them. The underneath was wide open against GB but we kept looking down field.

We can still run plays that send multiple receivers deep, but we need to take that checkdown once we've made the primary and secondary read, don't sit and wait for someone to break open later, throw it on time. Goff made several throws last night that posters here would complain about (short of the sticks on third down), but there are times when you just need to live to fight another day. The OC/QB combo in Detroit is considered one of the best, but a lot of that has to do with Goff staying on time as he did last night.

Also, in PC's defense on the Landon Young play, Rashan Gray was never on the field on first down prior to that drive. He only played third downs and second and long before then. All of the assistants with random titles are supposed to be looking out for those sorts of things to keep our play callers (offense and defense) informed.

 

[RJS]

They need to find a way to start having some success in the running game. We are averaging 3.4ypc. and it's resulting in too many 3rd down attempts. That 3.4ypc includes Taysom at 5.7ypc.

Hopefully Kamara and Miller can get something going because this isn't a sustainable way to play football.

 

[Rouxble]

They need to find a way to start having some success in the running game. We are averaging 3.4ypc. and it's resulting in too many 3rd down attempts. That 3.4ypc includes Taysom at 5.7ypc.

Hopefully Kamara and Miller can get something going because this isn't a sustainable way to play football.

Getting the running game going won't be easy if we keep losing at the LOS, but at the very least we can lighten up the box by stretching the defense horizontally with a sustained short passing attack.