trading away any of this year pick's will be foolish . (1 Viewer)

[reason2believe]

I been reading a lot threads over the weeks in i noticed . Some of the fans would like us to trade some of our picks to move up. Personally I think that would be foolish . This year draft is deep in we can use the body's I say keep every pick and some

It would be foolish to keep all of the picks. How reasonable is it to think that we would draft 9 players, across 7 rounds, and that they would all make the team?

You increase your chances of success by selecting higher in the draft. I know I know ... we have found gems and bargains in the past, in the later rounds. But the percentages are against that.

I don't think there is any way at all that we pick 9 players in this draft.

 

[kooldak]

...Now I'm still not sure how I feel about them doing it - it depends what they give up and for who - but I defiantly think they'll trade up in the 1st.

IMHO, that is the key. "it depends what they give up and for who" is exactly right.

As a general rule of thumb this is a deep draft and as a general rule of thumb, using your draft picks without trading them makes some sense. But that said, if the right guy is there for the right price, then I hope S&P make the trade. it really all depends on who falls to where/when.

But to just say "trading away any of this year pick's will be foolish" without any reservations or caveats as the OP did - well, I can't get on board with that. Too complicated & too much can happen for the Saints to be that simple with their draft strategy.

But that is JMO.

 

[daninmn]

IMHO, that is the key. "it depends what they give up and for who" is exactly right.

As a general rule of thumb this is a deep draft and as a general rule of thumb, using your draft picks without trading them makes some sense. But that said, if the right guy is there for the right price, then I hope S&P make the trade. it really all depends on who falls to where/when.

But to just say "trading away any of this year pick's will be foolish" without any reservations or caveats as the OP did - well, I can't get on board with that. Too complicated & too much can happen for the Saints to be that simple with their draft strategy.

But that is JMO.

This is exactly right. Way too many possibilities to make blanket statements.

 

[CajunSaint]

Far from a deep draft and no need for all of the picks we have. They will be moving picks around you can bet your house on it.

No, its not deep. There are reports that this draft is shallow. Only about 15 players have 1st round grades by teams. Maybe a few more. Which means @31 we will be drafting a 2nd round grade player at best, and we could be possibly drafting someone with a 3rd round grade with our 2nd overall (#44) even knowing he's BPA.

If theres ever a year to trade away picks and acquire picks in next years draft, this is it.

If theres also ever a year to trade the #31 pick to move into top 20 to snag the last 1st round graded player, this is also the year.

False. This draft lacks elite talent up top, but spread throughout, this draft is very deep in the middle.

After the top 15 or so, next 60 or so players all grade very similar. So you are getting players in the 2nd and 3rd round that are a great value. THis is also why you are seeing so many different "analysts" having players rise and fall in all kinds of direction.

This is a great draft to find some gems.

 

[Enabler]

It would be foolish to keep all of the picks. How reasonable is it to think that we would draft 9 players, across 7 rounds, and that they would all make the team?

You increase your chances of success by selecting higher in the draft. I know I know ... we have found gems and bargains in the past, in the later rounds. But the percentages are against that.

I don't think there is any way at all that we pick 9 players in this draft.

No, chances of finding good players increase when you have more picks. Nothing is guaranteed, even at the top of the draft. Last year, we traded up for Cooks, good player, staying at our spot, we could have picked Benjamin, plus another player in an extremely deep draft. Also, we dont have to pick 9 players, we can always trade for 2016 draft picks. Even drafting 9 players is no issue, one or two will get injured, there might be a Fortt, that will be cut. You will always find a way to keep good players, and cut the bad ones.
I am 100% against trading up in the first round. If we can use a 5th or 7th rounder to move up in the 3rd, so be it.

 

[AgnesT]

False. This draft lacks elite talent up top, but spread throughout, this draft is very deep in the middle.

After the top 15 or so, next 60 or so players all grade very similar. So you are getting players in the 2nd and 3rd round that are a great value. THis is also why you are seeing so many different "analysts" having players rise and fall in all kinds of direction.

This is a great draft to find some gems.

I agree. I believe someone really good will fall to 13. I hope we trade the 31st pick to get more picks.

 

[mmule]

Don't you get to control your first rounders for a 5th year? If we trade #31 down, we lose that ability, right?

 

[Eman5805]

I think that if we do not make a trade in the 1st round, it's because we were turned down. Not because we choose not to.

I think part of why we've absolutely gathered picks was intent to move up for someone.

 

[LetsGetWaffles]

IMHO, that is the key. "it depends what they give up and for who" is exactly right.

As a general rule of thumb this is a deep draft and as a general rule of thumb, using your draft picks without trading them makes some sense. But that said, if the right guy is there for the right price, then I hope S&P make the trade. it really all depends on who falls to where/when.

But to just say "trading away any of this year pick's will be foolish" without any reservations or caveats as the OP did - well, I can't get on board with that. Too complicated & too much can happen for the Saints to be that simple with their draft strategy.

But that is JMO.

Hammer meet head of nail

 

[LetsGetWaffles]

I agree. I believe someone really good will fall to 13. I hope we trade the 31st pick to get more picks.

That's what I'm starting to hope happens too if the FO decides they really want to trade up in the 1st round. I personally think it'd be very beneficial to keep the 13th but also try to trade up by using the 31st picks plus some.

The points would be slightly less from our part; but we could theoretically get into the top 7 picks if we trade the 31st, 44th, and 75th picks as opposed to trading the 13th and the 75th picks to move up.

If the difference in trades (from the 13th to 31st as the base of the trade) is only adding the 2nd rounder then I think it's 100% worth it - moving up 18 picks in the 1st round (31st to 13th) - to move up and grab that player they love.

Depending on who is there at 13 after trading up into the top of the draft w the 31st and then some picks, we could trade back from 13 and still pick up another 2nd or 3rd pick. There are many great options if we go that route.

 

[Danneaux]

I wouldn't mind trading a pick or two for a better pick next year. The closer we get to the end of Drews career the better off we'll be with extra picks to possibly draft his eventual successor

 

[Archie_4_HOF]

IMHO, that is the key. "it depends what they give up and for who" is exactly right.

As a general rule of thumb this is a deep draft and as a general rule of thumb, using your draft picks without trading them makes some sense. But that said, if the right guy is there for the right price, then I hope S&P make the trade. it really all depends on who falls to where/when.

But to just say "trading away any of this year pick's will be foolish" without any reservations or caveats as the OP did - well, I can't get on board with that. Too complicated & too much can happen for the Saints to be that simple with their draft strategy.

But that is JMO.

Well said. IMO, there is no way they use all 9 picks if for no other reason than salary. I have no issue trading up but it depends on the deal. I would not favor using #31 to move up from #13, however I'd have no issue using #44 or one of the third round picks to move from either selection. Depends on how it unfolds.

I also feel that if Loomis has his mind made up on going pass rusher with the 1st selection, there is no way we stay at #13. Loomis will not take the 4th or 5th best edge rusher. He will go after his top guy especially since he has ammunition to do so.

 

[Alan12]

I wouldn't mind trading a pick or two for a better pick next year. The closer we get to the end of Drews career the better off we'll be with extra picks to possibly draft his eventual successor

I agree with this. Additionally, I'd go as far as trying to get as many trades as possible with teams that are likely to be picking earlier in the selection order for every round the following draft.

Say like trading trying to trade back with a 2015 3rd and receiving a 2016 2nd from a team such as Cleveland, Jacksonville, Oakland, Washington, Tennessee, etc., that are believed to be more than one player away from vastly improving, where we'll go from selecting 75th or 78th in the 3rd this year to picking in the 33rd to 40th range or so in the 2nd of next year.

I mean, there would always be the risk they bust out of their "bottom-feeder" status and do really well that season, then you're stuck with a later pick the same way if you traded with one of the upper-level teams originally. And not to mention those teams would actually have to want to move up to trade with them.