Turnovers (2 Viewers)

[BreesusSaves]

I don't care about turnovers right now. I just want them to make the other team punt. I swear some of the teams the Saints played last season had to of seriously considered not having their punter as an active player on gameday. Just get some stops is all I ask.

 

[topez]

We had 2 turnovers this preseason. That's about where the league average was. We had opportunities to be near or at the top if not for some unfortunate drops along with the ball bouncing our opponent way. I'm not too concerned with the turnovers just yet. We had the opportunities, we just need to do a better job of capitalizing.

Funny you mention that, cause that's all I really saw last season & season's past relative to certain players (Jenkins, PRob, Harper et al.). So many opportunities, so little to show for it. & one of our preseason picks came from a guy no longer on our team.

The other INT escapes me at the moment (pun intended) but I'm not only focusing on preseason alone, but the personnel too...

 

[topez]

I don't care about turnovers right now. I just want them to make the other team punt. I swear some of the teams the Saints played last season had to of seriously considered not having their punter as an active player on gameday. Just get some stops is all I ask.

For a team that hopes to win the Super Bowl, such a low standard gives me pause-not cause you're wrong....

 

[Jiva]

Rob Ryan's defenses have not historically been big turn over producers rankings wise. I do believe more than just scheme goes into creating turn overs, but it remains to be seen if we have some of those other factors ei. personnel. With as high powered as I expect our Offense to be, that will be one thing we have in our favor; making teams one dimensional.
Rob Ryan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

 

[wizard1183]

Is anyone else really concerned over the lack of turnovers not only through the preseason, but the lack thereof that seems inherent in our personnel?

Most of us already know the trials & tribulations of our starters who have been around for years, so I don't see much use in rehashing those beaten horses unless ya'll want to awaken those hee-haw zombies...

But our key additions (Vaccaro & Lewis) weren't know to be ballhawks AT ALL. How many INT's did Lewis get last year?

& w/ us "returning to basics," our LBs will be more focused on tackling & responsibilities than punching the ball out--which can I dig, but that coupled w/ our secondary unable to pick it off...I can't help but see the preseason as a harbinger of trouble in this area.

The only hopeful thoughts I've had on this are big, wild "ifs"
1)PRob finally gets it together & has another 4-pick season
2) Jenkins being able to freelance, no longer being sandbaged by lining up next to Harper every snap.

Someone please disagree & explain why I need to be less cynical. Who Dat!

Well considering we ranked 4th in INTs during preseason in 2009, Im unsure. But our D stats durign preseason arent that bad at all.

Sacks: 17 (T-3rd)
SFTY: 1 (T-2nd)
PDef: 11 (T-28th)
Ints: 3 (T-17th)
FF: 4 (T-10th)
Rec: 1 (T-26th)

I do think our positive T/O ratio comes with time.

 

[topez]

Rob Ryan's defenses have not historically been big turn over producers rankings wise. I do believe more than just scheme goes into creating turn overs, but it remains to be seen if we have some of those other factors ei. personnel. With as high powered as I expect our Offense to be, that will be one thing we have in our favor; making teams one dimensional.
Rob Ryan Record, Statistics, and Category Ranks - Pro-Football-Reference.com

That's another bummer-Ryan's Ds don't usually take the ball away!
So we've got personnel & D coordinator that doesn't ballhawk.

Even w/ an offense like ours, how can we hope to go to the big dance w/out big plays :aargh:

 

[topez]

Great, I came away from this convinced for the first time that we're surely not gonna win the Super Bowl. Not gonna happen.

Getting off the field on 3rd down usually translates to a higher ranked D, a la 2010, but w/ out the turnovers, a la 2010...well...that ended, well, not well.

Many of my brothers are banking on scheme, & our players settling in & when they do, they'll get 'em. But as it was pointed out to me, Ryan's D usually doesn't produce "Greg Williams" like seasons.

& if Ryan overcomplicates things as he did in little d(allas), which is his chief criticism around the league, we may never settle. Hopefully he learned, but as ego's go, we remember Williams blitzing his brains out in SF & we know how that ended. Big ego's rarely learn.

We all remember how we got to the Super Bowl defensively in '09. We're gonna have to find another way.

I came away from this thread thinking for the first time "we have little-to-no shot." Only hope I have is we have a Green Bay type 2010 season (still don't know how they did it w/ no D & no running game...oh yeah, they got turnovers)..

 

[wizard1183]

That's another bummer-Ryan's Ds don't usually take the ball away!
So we've got personnel & D coordinator that doesn't ballhawk.

Even w/ an offense like ours, how can we hope to go to the big dance w/out big plays :aargh:

Right but his rushing defensive is pretty good. So lets hope we can stop the run.

 

[SweetT]

I would love to see turnovers, but I would be happy to just get stops on defense.

 

[topez]

Right but his rushing defensive is pretty good. So lets hope we can stop the run.

I hope but I think it's easier to stop the run in a 43 opposed to a 34.

One advantage (& it's 1 of the very few I can see) is that it's a totally new D w/ all new packages & thus, there's no, nil, zero, ziltch film on us.