NFL Draft Tyler Shough (2 Viewers)

[St. Widge]

I still struggle to buy into that. Bo Nix had fantastic production, was younger, had good tools to work with, and generally viewed as a top 40 prospect in a historically good draft class for QB's (and offensive players overall). Also really no injury concerns either. JJ McCarthy was always going to be a top 20 pick imo.

Bo Nix Quarterback Oregon | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 87.4 Rank: #6 Forty: 4.75 Bo Nix entered the collegiate ranks with sky-high expectations, securing the SEC Freshman of the Year in 2019 and was heralded as a five-star recruit...

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Tyler Shough Quarterback Louisville | NFL Draft Profile & Scouting Report

Rating: 82.3 Rank: #11 Forty: 4.63 The tape shows a quarterback who thrives in structured passing attacks featuring heavy play-action usage. When Shough can plant that back foot and drive...

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Shough despite having decent timed athleticism just looks a bit clumsy to me when running around. He turns 26 later this year. He has 1,000 less snaps than 21 year old QB Jaxson Dart. I don't buy the narrative that I've seen that he's ready to start right away "because of his age". His completion percentage is lower than Jalen Milroe. His adjusted completion percentage is 38th in college football this past season. Despite his ADOT being 9.7 which isn't particularly high.

I just struggle to buy into this idea that he's a late 1st/early 2nd round prospect, which is currently the narrative on him in recent days. In the 3rd/4th round sure, I don't mind seeing the team take a chance on him, but would be very skeptical of the Saints taking him any earlier than that.

I don't think Nix or McCarty were seen as going that high until close the the draft. McCarty wasn't really on anyone's radar as a first round pick until really close to the draft and it took winning a National Championship to get him there. First I heard of the possibility of McCarty going high was when 60Mintues said the Saints really liked him but that he would probably go before they picked. Nix was probably seen as a late first, but nobody thought he was going as high as he did. And all this was driven by the coaches getting involved. In particular, Payton loved Bo Nix. And Nix was small with a relatively weak arm. But what Payton saw is that Nix was deadly accurate on short passes.

As far as Shough, I don't know and I share your concerns about his completion percentage, injuries, and lots of other things, but I heard it first from Underhill that there was a lot of buzz about him going in the 2nd or even late first and now the same stuff is starting to spread with the national media. Could just be smoke, but it could be real. We'll find out in a little over a week. Nick as said that teams don't really care as much about the age thing. They figure he'll have at least 10 good years to play which if he's good for those 10 years then it's well worth the pick.

Also, take it for what it's worth, but Underhill also said that Shough was the Saints' second favorite QB in this draft.

 

[tyler735]

I don't think Nix or McCarty were seen as going that high until close the the draft. McCarty wasn't really on anyone's radar as a first round pick until really close to the draft and it took winning a National Championship to get him there. First I heard of the possibility of McCarty going high was when 60Mintues said the Saints really liked him but that he would probably go before they picked.

Can't say that's true. McCarthy was viewed as a first round pick fairly early on in the draft process last offseason.

A month before the draft he was viewed as a top 10 pick by many

Where will J.J. McCarthy be drafted? Predictions for NFL Draft prospect

McCarthy went 27-1 as a starter at Michigan and won a national championship in January. Here's where experts think he'll go in the 2024 NFL Draft.

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Nix was probably seen as a late first, but nobody thought he was going as high as he did. And all this was driven by the coaches getting involved. In particular, Payton loved Bo Nix. And Nix was small with a relatively weak arm. But what Payton saw is that Nix was deadly accurate on short passes.

I wouldn't say that he has a weak arm by any means. He has a good arm and his size is about the same as Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward. He may have gone 10-15 picks higher than some thought. However, Shough is rumored to go "rounds higher" than what many thought just a few weeks ago.

As far as Shough, I don't know and I share your concerns about his completion percentage, injuries, and lots of other things, but I heard it first from Underhill that there was a lot of buzz about him going in the 2nd or even late first and now the same stuff is starting to spread with the national media. Could just be smoke, but it could be real. We'll find out in a little over a week. Nick as said that teams don't really care as much about the age thing. They figure he'll have at least 10 good years to play which if he's good for those 10 years then it's well worth the pick.

Also, take it for what it's worth, but Underhill also said that Shough was the Saints' second favorite QB in this draft.

Yep that makes me incredibly nervous for this draft lol. If there is any truth to that and it's not smoke for the team to throw teams off their scent, which it really should be if this is the "one" year we are finally taking a QB early in the draft. They should be feeding Nick as much false info as possible to keep people guessing on their intentions when it comes to taking a QB high in this draft.

 

[St. Widge]

Can't say that's true. McCarthy was viewed as a first round pick fairly early on in the draft process last offseason.

A month before the draft he was viewed as a top 10 pick by many

Where will J.J. McCarthy be drafted? Predictions for NFL Draft prospect

McCarthy went 27-1 as a starter at Michigan and won a national championship in January. Here's where experts think he'll go in the 2024 NFL Draft.

www.usatoday.com

I wouldn't say that he has a weak arm by any means. He has a good arm and his size is about the same as Shedeur Sanders and Cam Ward. He may have gone 10-15 picks higher than some thought. However, Shough is rumored to go "rounds higher" than what many thought just a few weeks ago.

Yep that makes me incredibly nervous for this draft lol. If there is any truth to that and it's not smoke for the team to throw teams off their scent, which it really should be if this is the "one" year we are finally taking a QB early in the draft. They should be feeding Nick as much false info as possible to keep people guessing on their intentions when it comes to taking a QB high in this draft.

Obviously I would not be happy if they took Shough at #9. But, if they really do think he's going to be that good, I wouldn't have an issue with them taking him late first or at #40. It's not the pick I would make, but they need to start drafting QBs they like because that's the only way we are going to get out of this mess. I'd take Sanders, Dart, or Milroe over Shough, but as long as they are getting Moore the QB he wants, I'm fine with it as long as it's not at #9.

 

[tyler735]

Obviously I would not be happy if they took Shough at #9. But, if they really do think he's going to be that good, I wouldn't have an issue with them taking him late first or at #40. It's not the pick I would make, but they need to start drafting QBs they like because that's the only way we are going to get out of this mess. I'd take Sanders, Dart, or Milroe over Shough, but as long as they are getting Moore the QB he wants, I'm fine with it as long as it's not at #9.

I'm pretty much with you there. I'd honestly be happy with Sanders, Dart, or Milroe in some fashion with our first 2 picks. I wouldn't like Shough at #40, but I'd love to eat crow on it if it were to happen.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Maybe in the 3rd or later

26 years old with middling production and a bad injury history.

Underhill seems to be on the bandwagon but that alone makes me dubious.

Give me the 21 stud that can run over the 26 year old that can’t run. In the 2nd round? Sure. But #9 would be among the biggest draft day reaches in NFL history

 

[No2DC]

The way things are shaping up there is going to be run on the 3 or so guys not expected to go high in the late first or early second.

 

[cdogg]

 

[Infoman]

I’ve watched his vids…. I’m gonna be nice and say…. I am just not seeing it.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Oof. That explains why his completion % hovers around 60 the last 3 seasons throwing undisciplined, uncatchable balls a lot.

It feels like agents are getting media to overhype originally-mid round ranked prospects to get drafted higher while their film shows how shaky their mechanics are. I think Shough only goes 1st-early 2nd round if 3 or 4 QBs flew off the board by the late teens.

 

[meily]

Complaining about a 26 year old rookie QB is beyond silly since QBs typically don’t peak till late 20’s or early 30’s and can perform at a higher level at 34 then at 26. QB is more of an IQ and mental sharpness position then a physical one.

They do not peak in their late 20's or early thirties, they like any other drafted talent show a clear ability from the jump and by year 3 are established starters,like any other position.

The problem is the position is so demanding that finding a franchise signal called is more difficult than finding a standout at any other position one offense or defense, so signing a FA QB with skin in the game is typically the best move for most franchises looking for help at the position.

 

[cdogg]

That’s crazy

 

[No2DC]

That’s crazy

Damn. How old is he? I know about injury history but Johnson has been in the league for at least 4 years.

 

[Saint Spud]

Damn. How old is he? I know about injury history but Johnson has been in the league for at least 4 years.

 

[Thrillamac]

Damn. How old is he? I know about injury history but Johnson has been in the league for at least 4 years.

26 yrs old, same recruitment class as trevor Lawrence