U.S. (?)/Pakistan at Bajaur Targeted Bombing (1 Viewer)


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A Closer Look at the Chingai Airstrike in Bajaur, Pakistan

Questions over target of strike in Bajaur, who conducted it, and why. Zawahiri may have been a target.

As we reported just this morning, there were going to be questions about the air strikes in Chingai that targeted a local madrassa serving as an al-Qaeda and Taliban training camp. Just hours after the strike, questions are arising about who actually conducted the strike, who was the target of the strike, how it was carried out, and why it occurred. Reports are emerging that the U.S. conducted the strike (as we predicted) and Ayman al-Zawahiri was the target.

Who was the target?

Alexis Debat reports Ayman al-Zawahiri, al-Qaeda's second in command, was indeed the target of the nighttime raid. He was not killed, but 2-5 senior al-Qaeda were killed, “including the mastermind of the airliners plot in the U.K.” We presume this is Matiur Rehman.

Faqir Mohammed was present at the madrassa just 30 minutes prior to the strike. He survived, and addressed the crowd of mourners in Chingai as well as gave an interview with an NBC reporter on the scene. "We were peaceful, but the government attacked and killed our innocent people on orders from America," Mohammed told the rally as dozens of militants surrounded him, brandishing semiautomatic weapons," reports the Associated Press. We suspect Faqir Mohammed was a target of the raid, for reasons mentioned below.

How was the attack carried out?

Also Alexis Debat reports U.S. 'drones' – actually this would be Predator UAVs, conducted the strike, and not Pakistani helicopters. An American intelligence source informs us that the Pakistani Army does not possess the capabilities to conduct precision night strikes such as this attack. There are several possibilities here: it could have indeed been a Predator strike, or, more risky would be a strike by U.S. C-130 gunships. Conducting manned strikes over Pakistani airspace has its risks, including that of a shoot down and follow on rescue mission. The Asia Time's Syed Saleem Shahzad reports this was a 'NATO airstrike” by “helicopter gunships,” however it is highly unlikely this strike occurred under the aegis of NATO. Look for signs of Task Force 145 having carried out this raid, with unmanned Predators firing Hellfire missiles.

Why did the strike occur?

The target selection and who carried out the strike certainly plays a big role in the motivations for the strike. There are 4 main reasons for hitting the Chingai madrassa.

1. Zawahiri or another High Value Target was present at the time, or a mix of senior al-Qaeda leaders were believed to be there.
2, This was an attempt to abort the coming “Bajaur Accord.” A local political leader in Chingai said “This attack is very strange as we were told Sunday that the peace agreement would be signed today," indicating the purposed was to disrupt the signing of the accord.

3. A combination of high value target and an attempt to disrupt the Bajaur accords.

4. Pakistan is attempting to show it is still relevant in the war against al-Qaeda and the Taliban. NATO commander General James Jones just left Pakistan, and Prince Charles is currently in country.

We're going to rule reason 4 out, as Pakistan is more than willing to sign peace agreements with the Taliban and al-Qaeda, and the last few times it allowed raids of this nature (Damadola, Danda Saidgai) the Musharraf regime suffered serious political consequences and political unrest. The Pakistani and international press are already claiming this was a strike on a school and that dozens of children were killed.

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>>Furious villagers and religious leaders said the pre-dawn missile barrage killed innocent students and teachers.

From the CNN story. We should have wiped out the village as well. :shrug:

I highly doubt Predators did this. A Predator drone is armed with a single AGM-114 hellfire which has an 18lb-20lb warhead designed to defeat tanks. It would take alot of preds with alot of hellfires to do that kind of damage. Im not saying that we are or arent involved in this, but it wasnt Predators. And Pakistan operates AH-1S Cobra Gunships that have substantial night attack capabilities.
"I highly doubt Predators did this. A Predator drone is armed with a single AGM-114 hellfire which has an 18lb-20lb warhead designed to defeat tanks."

A Predator "A" can carry 450-500 lbs and I am not sure, but I think a Predator "A" may be able to carry two Hellfires. The bigger "B" variant however can carry several thousand lbs and has more "attachment points" for more weapons. I think a Predator "B" can carry over 10 Hellfire missiles. They can larger weapons as well obviously. I wouldn't rule out a UAV strike.
Oh, I love this:

"We were peaceful, but the government attacked and killed our innocent people on orders from America," said Mohammed, who was surrounded by dozens of militants brandishing semiautomatic weapons. "It is an open aggression."

Peaceful people...brandishing semiautomatic weapons...delicious.


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