Was Loomis Taken out of Context By His Remarks (Comparing DA to Coaching Greats) (1 Viewer)

[DerrickB]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

 

[meily]

Of course he was, he was just saying its only been two years, let it play out.

 

[boutte]

Don't go getting rational on us.

 

[saintsfan6767]

Of course he was, he was just saying its only been two years, let it play out.

 

[saintsfan6767]

Its been two years with the saints, but don't forget dennis allen was also head coach at the raiders and with his time there and with the saints he has a losing record, he inherited a playoff contention team when he took over as head coach and he sucks. the saints need to move on from him, he is not head coach material, he is a good defensive coordinator.

 

[meily]

Its been two years with the saints, but don't forget dennis allen was also head coach at the raiders and with his time there and with the saints he has a losing record, he inherited a playoff contention team when he took over as head coach and he sucks. the saints need to move on from him, he is not head coach material, he is a good defensive coordinator.

DA inherited a team in transition. DA was 9-8 this year not 4-13, putting the focus solely on the coach and not the dynamics in which the team is struggling is short sighted and I understand the frustration because he is the HC so he gets the blame (unfair blame at times) but when he immediately starts transitioning and implementing the change we want to see how is HE still the problem?

I do not even think this is a DA thing anymore, I think ANY coach that would of taken over for CSP would be feeling this heat because he is proceeding CSP and we as fans can be irrational at times.

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

I've never been a fan of the "can't put those 2 in the same sentence counterpoint" it shows that the person pulling that card doesn't have anything of value to add to the argument. They're all NFL coaches, they can all be compared.

Being said I'm not a DA fan....was for it initially when "continuity" was the goal, but now that continuity is blown to sheet - he needs to geaux. He's not that guy, he's never going to be that guy and the longer we keep lying to ourselves the longer our wait to return to relevance.

 

[No2DC]

He's not a first-time coach; that's the biggest game in town.

 

[Filaphill]

I’m confused wasn’t Dennis Allen the head coach of the Raiders for two years before he became the head coach of the Saints.

 

[NatureBoy]

Of course he was. Lots of twisted drama here, as usual..

 

[mr.t]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

I agree with you.

 

[Elvis]

He compared apples to oranges and then gave us apple juice when we asked for orange juice.

 

[Saintman2884]

When he compared DA having similar starts in his first two seasons as a coach compared to Chuck Knoll, Bill Walsh, Belichick, and Tom Landry, I don't think he meant that Allen would have a similar rise.

It was more of saying what can happen when teams are patient with their HCs when they are first starting.

I have seen a lot of people on Saints Twitter, Saints FB Groups, podcasts, and even the local media that were not too pleased by what ML said.

Thoughts?

Other then Belicheck, who had a frustrating, difficult run as Browns HC from 1991-95 but also had to contend with a meddling, egotistical, egocentric owner in Art Modell who was needlessly spending money he didnt really have and had to use his wife's banking account once to sign Andre Rison as a FA early in the 1995 season, the other HC's you mentioned had outstanding careers or tenures as coordinators elsewhere. Bill Walsh couldve gotten a HC gig a lot sooner then in 1979 if Bengals owner and HC Paul Brown hadn't secretly bashed him for years behind his back, telling other NFL teams' owners and GM's that he was emotionally, mentally unstable and could not handle the stress and responsibilities of being an NFL HC.

Belichek's lack of success or problems in Cleveland has to be viewed within the greater context of the FO disarray, ownership meddling and chaos. DA hasn't shown, except for this season, he can be a successful winning HC. He's a poor man's Haslett, except that maybe Allen was and is a better DC then Haslett ever was here, Pittsburgh, or in Washington D.C.

 

[SweetT]

He was off base and disconnected from reality. Times are different than when those coaches began their careers. This is a win now league. At some point all of our fans, will all stop chopping wood, take the axe inside of the house, and demand a cooked turkey.

 

[SaintRob]

DA inherited a team in transition. DA was 9-8 this year not 4-13, putting the focus solely on the coach and not the dynamics in which the team is struggling is short sighted and I understand the frustration because he is the HC so he gets the blame but when he immediately starts transitioning and implementing the change we want to see how is HE still the problem?

I do not even think this is a DA thing anymore, I think ANY coach that would of taken over for Payton would be feeling this heat because we as fans are can be irrational at times.

The team is struggling because of Allen's coaching decisions. His mishandling of game planning, in game adjustments, his choice of an offensive play caller who is struggling, playing a QB who is injured while a capable one is on the bench, trying to pigeon-hole players into a position he wants them in instead of playing to their strengths, are the reasons he gets the blame. He and Loomis are the problem right now, period. The 2023 team had a playoff roster and an incredibly playoff friendly schedule in front of them. Coaching decisions blew the season. I'm not saying we had a SuperBowl team, but we had a playoff team that was coached down.