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By Dan Levy - Staff Writer - Saintsreport.com

Through the first two weeks of the 2024 NFL season, the Saints were flying high. Sporting a revamped offense under Klint Kubiak—which had, until Sunday, managed to score on nearly every drive—and a complementary defense able to pin its ears back and take the fight to the enemy, the Black & Gold were looking unstoppable. The vibes were immaculate, and words that had once existed only as hopeful whispers among the Who Dat faithful were now being blasted bright and bold across the internet and declared proudly from the lips of the national media.

This feels like 2009.

This feels like a Super Bowl season.


Those vibes came crashing down yesterday. The mirage of the offensive juggernaut, shattered. The complementary play of the first two weeks, gone—only to be replaced by overly-scripted play-calling, one-on-one failures, sloppy run fits and situational tackling, and frustratingly poor game management.

The Saints’ thrilling launch to the season, stalling out in the stratosphere.

While the defense certainly struggled to slow the Eagles’ offense—particularly on third downs, where they were infuriatingly leaky—holding their opponent to just 15 points should be, by any measure, enough to win the game. They epitomized the bend but don’t break philosophy, allowing long, sustained drives before coming up big in the red zone—or, in many instances, benefiting from the Eagles’ own share of highly questionable game management decisions.

Unfortunately, this style of defense—a defense of attrition—is not sustainable when your offense fails to produce. Three-and-outs on offense followed by 10 and 12 and 15-play drives on defense is a recipe for fatigue and mental collapse. And as the game continued in this manner and the ebb-and-flow remained unchanged, it became abundantly clear that the Saints’ bendy defense would inevitably break.

So what happened to the offense? Was it simply exposed? As a farce? An illusion? A short-lived sleight of hand by an offensive coordinator who just days ago was the toast of the Big Easy?

Well… yes, and no.

Let’s start with what’s clear. The Saints have issues on the offensive line, and yesterday the clock on hiding their trench deficiencies (trenchficiencies?) ran out. The offense as a whole was far too predictable and tendency-laden—something the Eagles took full advantage of. For the first time in three weeks the Saints were forced off script, out of their base—and it wasn’t pretty. Matchup issues and assignment errors and consistent QB pressure from the start. Impotence on early downs. Stalls and sputters on late ones. It was abysmal to watch, and while the first three weeks of any season can be tricky—when it feels like there’s somehow too much film on you and too little on your opponent—the coaches must do a better job of self-scouting.

Losing center Erik McCoy to injury on the first drive was a huge blow. But still the most overlooked vulnerability on this team is how reliant it is on Taysom Hill. On the surface this might sound absurd—an NFL offense being so heavily dependent on a 34-year-old utility player—but the truth is Hill is perhaps the greatest tendency breaker in NFL history. For this reason—and to Kubiak’s credit—his snap count has increased dramatically compared to previous seasons. Kubiak’s system favors heavier personnel, particularly on early downs. But with Hill on the field, it is impossible for opposing defenses to clearly identify the Saints’ personnel and match up accordingly.

When you have a player who is simultaneously a RB, a FB, a TE, and a QB, and he performs each of these roles—blocking and catching and throwing and carrying the ball—with starter-level efficacy, how exactly is a defense supposed to match up? Is it 21 personnel (2 RBs and 1 TE)? Is it 12 (1 RB and 2 TEs)? Maybe 11 (1 RB and 1 TE—a 3 WR set)?

Or is he just going to take the snap from center, and now you got to play 11-man run defense and matchup man-to-man across the board—so, Fork* it. The universe is a sea of indifference and nothing really matters.

Hill is Schrodinger’s player: simultaneously all and none of these positions. And with him sidelined due to injury, the Saints offense was unmasked. A fullback was a fullback. A tight end was a tight end. And Alvin Kamara taking a direct snap on 4th and 1 just didn’t have the same "buckle up and clench your cheeks" aura as Taysom Hill.

So where do we go from here? Is the season over and doomed and done for… and—Dammit! What am I supposed to do with these season tickets and this Spencer Rattler jersey!?

The answer here is simple: this is the NFL. We are three games into a seventeen-game season, and it’s better that the Saints’ issues are dragged into the light now rather than in December or January. And while football is, indeed, a game of X’s and O’s, it is also—and, perhaps, more importantly—a game of questions and answers.

Some questions have already been posed. Brutally. At the hands of the Philadelphia Eagles. Their offensive line that road-graded our defense. Their defense front—including former Saints linebacker, Zach Baun, who, yesterday notwithstanding, I wouldn’t describe as anything but mid—living in the New Orleans backfield.

I will also take the liberty to pose a few questions of my own. For example: while I understand the commitment to an offensive identity, at what point during a double-digit-yardage-output half does said commitment become stubbornness? Would it hurt to use more 11 personnel on early downs rather than waiting until 3rd and long? And when you do go 11, would it be prudent to, from time to time, get out of the compressed WR sets and spread the defense (as we finally saw on the fourth-quarter drive immediately following Barkley’s long touchdown)?

And another thing. While I, for one, love the play-action yankee concept on first down to start the second drive of a game—which has resulted in long, beautiful (and dare I say, majestic) Rashid Shaheed touchdowns vs. both the Panthers and Cowboys—I, along with my Czech neighbors, my dog, and probably the entire Superdome, saw this one coming.

As did the Eagles. The result was a Derek Carr sack. So perhaps a little less predictability should be on the docket?

I’m not saying to get away from that particular situational look. Just maybe counter it from time to time with a screen pass. An end around. Something to break that obvious tendency and get the offense back on schedule.

To be clear: what I’m doing right now—this essay, this article. This smug didactic I’m putting out into the universe.

I hate it.

As a coach, anyway. I absolutely loathe this sort of Monday-morning quarterbacking. These long, overly indulgent, grievance-peddling hot takes, spittled out by some random guy who spent the evening sitting on his couch, licking buffalo sauce off his fingers. Questioning the Saints just because they lost one damn game.

But as a fan... this is what I’m looking for.

Answers.

As for the Saints’ coaches—DA and KK and everyone sitting in a quiet room at Airline Drive lit by the flickering light of a projector. Sipping lukewarm coffee. Operating on an hour or two of restless sleep. Watching yesterday’s film—the all-22 and the tight shot and everything in-between—wondering where the hell to go from here…

They’re looking for the same thing.

So let’s give them a chance to figure it out.
 
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Love your articles, TCU Dan.

Here are some of my issues with yesterday
Our TE position provided no relief for the offense. I'm also starting to have concerns that Shaheed can only run deep routes and is not effective on short possession throws. Olave needs help and A.T. Perry, nor Tipton have proven they can be a compliment to his style of play.
Penning's 15 yard penalty on crushing the defender out of bounds was just so stinking stupid on his part. He also struggled as did the rest of the line.

Hoping the Saints can get back to their winning ways shortly.
 
We've really ebbed and flowed with our defensive ability to cover up the TE. There is no way we should have let Dallas Goedert abuse us yesterday so much, as he was the only guy we needed to worry about besides Saquon. Even sans the fluke play at the end, he was running way too free all day. For the past couple years we typically erased opposing TEs for the most part, but what has changed this year?? It's mostly the same personnel and scheme. Gay was excellent in coverage against TEs for KC last year, does he need to see the field more--specifically in that coverage concept? Pitts is up next week and we need to address it post haste, I'd assume.
Excellent write-up, always appreciate your insights!
 
i look at it, only 1 team has Jalen Carter, and Aaron Donald retired.
Not having taysom hurt, losing E Mccoy to face that Jalen Carter on the first series. devastating.
I'm sure Latt would have been glued to their AJBrown, had he played. which he's better at than the Devante Smith types.
 
Three takeaways from the Eagles game.

The execution level wasn't what we saw in the first two games. If I had seen the first three Saint games randomly and had been asked which was week one, I'd have sworn it was the Eagles game.

The Saints didn't adapt their gameplan to the new scheme the Eagle defense was playing.

The Eagles exposed a weakness on the Saints' base defense that has been there since training camp and if the rest of the NFL picks up on it, it will make for some long afternoons.

If any one of those were different, the Saints would have won that game. Sirianni tried awful hard to give us that game.
 
We've really ebbed and flowed with our defensive ability to cover up the TE. There is no way we should have let Dallas Goedert abuse us yesterday so much, as he was the only guy we needed to worry about besides Saquon. Even sans the fluke play at the end, he was running way too free all day. For the past couple years we typically erased opposing TEs for the most part, but what has changed this year?? It's mostly the same personnel and scheme. Gay was excellent in coverage against TEs for KC last year, does he need to see the field more--specifically in that coverage concept? Pitts is up next week and we need to address it post haste, I'd assume.
Excellent write-up, always appreciate your insights!
Dallas Goedert had the game of his life. Literally. He's never put up 10 catches for 170 yards before. Probably never will gain. He was in the zone and he was killing us all day. I want to see a breakdown of what the Eagles were doing to get him so open. And what were the Saints supposed to be doing to stop him? With AJ Brown out and then DeVonta Smith going down during the game, Goedert became the clear #1 target for Hurts. Everyone knew the ball was going to him and we still couldn't stop it. Hopefully this was a fluke.

On offense the McCoy injury cannot be overstated. Not only do you lose one of the best Centers in the league but then you have your starting LG moved to Center and then Oli Udoh starting at LG. The falloff from McCoy and Lucas Patrick to Patrick and Udoh was clear. And to make matters worse all those Georgia Bulldogs decided to give maximum effort and played up to their draft status.
 
I said this last week. You are Super Bowl contenders until you are not, when your deficiencies rears its head. You have to be able to weather that storm, players have to be ready to step the heck up, and coaches need to be able to win in the game of chess. This stuff happens in the playoffs and you are booking your ticket to Cancun early. We can’t keep relying on excuses. Every team has injuries and every team gets tested. All players need to be coached up and ready to go. You have to find a way to win.
 

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I said this last week. You are Super Bowl contenders until you are not, when your deficiencies rears its head. You have to be able to weather that storm, players have to be ready to step the heck up, and coaches need to be able to win in the game of chess. This stuff happens in the playoffs and you are booking your ticket to Cancun early. We can’t keep relying on excuses. Every team has injuries and every team gets tested. All players need to be coached up and ready to go. You have to find a way to win.
Totally agree. For me, the injury excuse is just that an excuse for bad decisions. Every team has injuries at the worst time. If you haven’t planned and trained up the backups to come in and at least be adequate, the coaches have not done their job. If the team doesn’t have adequate depth in positions, that on the coaches and the organization. Everyone on planet earth knew the saints oline was a problem over multiple seasons and coming into this season and they did absolutely nothing in the way of getting depth. The only thing they could afford was udfa players and scrubs and Sunday is what you get.

I would love to see the saints draft a good offensive line over a oh my god off the charts prototypical raw player that never lives up to his draft stock and causes the team to keep re drafting the same position over and over.
 
I’ll try to be a beacon of light here. Just by looking across the NFL landscape. Many teams are riddled with injuries and that will continue throughout the season. There is some really bad football being played across the board, with the exception of a few teams, but those teams will have a crashing back down moment at some point…….unless you are the Chiefs (y’all know what I’m talking about). The bright side, is that on our best day, we could beat anyone. On our worst day, we will lose, and get exposed. We have some good to build on and we have some bad, that we need to get corrected. As of now (bc that’s all we have to go on), our “bad” we can stay in games, although I do foresee us dropping games, where we give up a lot of points in time. It’s just natural to understand that. We need to figure out how we can take a couple more of these games in the first half of the schedule bc the back half seems like games where our deficiencies could be masked to an extent. Which would allow us to “learn” how to win games and build confidence in some players and coaches. Every one will need to play their part, if we are looking to go far. Cant keep relying on the same players or the same things, for success, that we normally do. We will need to show that we are capable of winning games when things tend to fall apart. That is what separates the great teams from the pretenders
 
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It’s obviously a great article, especially the perspective on the absence of Taysom Hill. Before the game, and knowing that Hill was out, I thought something like, “Oh well, they’ll just have to do without.” That certainly proved to be wrong thinking. In other words, he’s more of an integral part of the offense and not just lagniappe.
 
Vic Fangio VS an OC in his first year in Klint Kubiak (which lost the strength of his Oline on the first drive, and his best utility player in Taysom Hill). Advantage Fangio. Yes Fangio was our LB coach during the “dome patrol” years that sent a historic 4 LB to the probowl, in the same year, hence the name. We have to credit the other team as well. Seems like X Saints anlways do well against us.
 
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