What happened in the game last night? (2 Viewers)

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Hey guys.

I'm working through the film and will provide a more thorough analysis in the next few days, but I just wanted to offer my coach's perspective on what happened last night.

For starters, it's important to understand the environment that the Saints walked into. This was a very hostile away game, where the crowd was insanely loud (to me, at least, it seemed louder than usual). When it comes to pressure (both the defense applying it and the offense mitigating it), that already heavily favors the home team. So any issues the away team is having will be compounded by this factor.

In terms of the pressure Winston was facing, the Falcons were bringing it from guys who were not in the count. A lot of times this comes from a safety or a corner, particularly if they're apexed (aligned outside the box) or a little deeper than the LBs. There were a couple of occasions where I saw the OL slide and get 4 on 3, but a 5th defender would show away from the slide (which means he was unaccounted for) and often on a delay. He'd get through untouched. Again, this is exacerbated by the crowd noise and nature of being the away team in a hostile environment, which makes communication very difficult.

It also comes down to gameplanning. When you prepare for teams, you don't have time to prepare for every single possibility. So you look at tendenceis and situationals. How do they usually match up vs. different formations and personnel? Where does the pressure come from? Which players are better at what? From what I could see--on BOTH SIDES of the ball--the Saints got something they didn't gameplan for.

This. Happens. Usually because a team is methodical when it comes to self-scouting. Part of gameplanning is trying to assess how your opponent will gameplan--what they will expect--and giving them something else.

I do have criticisms. I felt like the playcalling in the first half--really the first 3 quarters--wasn't intentional enough. There are a few ways to slow pressure. One is to run the ball well, and the other is the screen game. I would have liked to see a couple of screens mixed in (there was one but it was poorly executed). And in general, I just felt that what the Saints were doing out of their base, on both offense and defense, was a little flaky and not intentional enough.

Again, this happens. It doesn't mean that DA or Carmichael or anyone else is in over thier head.

But what I loved about the game was the grit the Saints showed at the end. I have been in games like this (I'll post a link to the highlights of one at the end), and this is 100% coaches preparing their teams for adversity. It comes from making practice hard, consistent messaging, and accountability. It comes from having players with the right character, who even when all is lost continue to play their butts off. No championship caliber team executes perfectly every game, but EVERY ONE OF THEM have this grit.

Personal anecdote: In 2017, my team had the #1 offense and #1 defense in the league. We went undefeated. In the semi-final game, a game we were expected to win handedly, we played 3.5 terrible quarters of football. Were shut out. It was raining, it was messy. We had too many penalties. Everything just seemed to go wrong for us while everything they did seemed to work out.

The whole time, we stayed calm on the sidelines, and I told my guys to be ready when the opportunity to win arrived. Down 2 scores, we came alive with less than 7 minutes left in the game and won.

Watching the Saints last night, I was reminded of that game. And when we won it, I knew there was no way we'd lose in the championship (and we didn't). Now this is just game 1 for the Saints and it is certainly unsustainable to dig yourself out of a hole, every week, and expect to win... so they will have to clean up their mistakes. But if nothing else, last night convinced me of the character of this team.

Here's the game, in case anyone was curious. It was the national semi-finals in Brazil.

 
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Part of the struggle I contribute to the starters not playing together during preseason. Even in training camp, half of the starters weren't practicing as much.
In very isolated cases, yes. Things like the timing between Winston and Thomas on some of those slants. But that's really more about practice time together than preseason. But overall I still think the preseason is a kind of reaching for a simple answer to reinforce preexisting beliefs (similar to "it's because we didn't have Kwon/CGJ").

The truth is that it was a cascade of "all the wrong things happening." It should not be discounted that the falcons played VERY WELL. They came in with a good gameplan and executed. They had the saints on their heels the entire time, trying to just figure them out. They used the crowd well and manipulated the saints with formation/alignment. And they were very intentional in what they were doing.

Ironically enough, the saints waiting until there were like 11 minutes left in the game to commit to high-tempo offense might have won it (as opposed to commiting to it earlier).
 
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I'll also add that the 1st 2pt play was brilliant. The 2nd was very questionable.

Now those are some of the hardest plays to call, and i get what they were trying to do (go unbalanced and get a gap advantage, snap the ball before the D can adjust). But they outflanked themselves by trying to be sneaky w the personnel and keeping Taysom off the field so Atlanta doesn't expect an 11 man run. But I'd have just put him in there and forced them to stop it while also accounting for the fact that he can also pass.
 
Great post from the OP

My concerns: Ruiz and Peat struggled when the defense blitzed yesterday. They looked confused at times. The trajectory of the football from Lutz on a few FG's was low. I'm surprised they didn't get blocked.

Good things: The signing on Jarvis Landry in the offseason paid off.
 
This was a very hostile away game, where the crowd was insanely loud (to me, at least, it seemed louder than usual).
They had to be piping in crowd noise over the PA again because I could count the filled seats easier than the empty seats. Hell my wife even noticed how empty the stadium was. She pointed that out right after she pointed out the white on white "costumes" the Saints were wearing.
 
This was the Falcons’ super bowl. It’s the first game of the season so they can spend all training camp preparing for this game. They showed their cards and still lost. They didn’t blitz after we picked up just one of their blitzes. They knew it was too risky. They only have one good corner in AJ Terrell but once Michael Thomas got his groove back Terrell couldn’t guard him. If they double teamed Thomas then Olave and Landry get open.

They had some good tricks but once they ran out of disguises Jameis lit them up.

On offense we had too many heavy packages that played into their hands. I think it’s just programming from last year when we lacked weapons. All three of our top 3 receivers were essential to getting us the win. And I think this is what we should expect going forward. Pass to set up the run.

We need to look at how Minnesota uses Justin Jefferson and apply that to Olave. Put him in motion a lot. It’s going to be hard to double team CGM if Olave and Landry are making plays.

And something has to be done about Kamara’s most popular route. It’s very expected and defenses are guarding him with DBs. Fake the option out and zig back in. And add more routes to his tree!
 
great pts

running the ball on 1st down and gaining nothing and being in consistently 2nd and 3rd and long situations surely is playing into this type of all in blitz pressure scheme ATL was playing for 3 quarters

Louie thinks a constant LOS pick plays to Landry can beat/slow down this scheme

To beat this defense is to get the ball out of the QBs hands in 1 or 2 seconds with short passes and MOVE THE CHAINS AND SCORE

this is why Brees and Brady was so successful because they both have shown to DCs they can beat this type of pressure. They can complete 10 short passess in a row and score before any pressure gets anywhere near them
 
Good stuff Dan... Seemed to me that the issue with protection was not so much guys on the Oline getting beat (save a couple of losses to Jarett), but with free runners shooting gaps post snap... They didn't seem like incredibly complicated blitzes to me... just CB, S, and LBs coming free after the Oline or RB was already engaged.

Who's responsibility is it at this point to ID that pre-snap? Because I don't think we ever adjusted, or stopped it... ATL (for whatever reason) just stopped brining it.

Also, agreed that screens and quick hitters to the WRs/TEs are the way to combat that... but seemed like we never adjusted.
 
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But what I loved about the game was the grit the Saints showed at the end. I have been in games like this (I'll post a link to the highlights of one at the end), and this is 100% coaches preparing their teams for adversity. It comes from making practice hard, consistent messaging, and accountability. It comes from having players with the right character, who even when all is lost continue to play their butts off. No championship caliber team executes perfectly every game, but EVERY ONE OF THEM have this grit.
This ties directly to what Juice was saying during his presser; championship effort and it went back to coaching. I feel really good about this team and this win did more for me than the beatdown we gave the Packers last year.
 
Is Ruiz the reason we don't run the QB power to the left? All the QBs runs went right.

Any concern for the DTs? I don't remember any plays where Patterson was hit in the back field. I'm not counting the toss play. I know AK had to dodge a few tacklers as soon as he touched the ball. On most of Patterson's runs he had lots of yards to pick up steam.
 
Is Ruiz the reason we don't run the QB power to the left? All the QBs runs went right.

Any concern for the DTs? I don't remember any plays where Patterson was hit in the back field. I'm not counting the toss play. I know AK had to dodge a few tacklers as soon as he touched the ball. On most of Patterson's runs he had lots of yards to pick up steam.
Ruiz is the R guard...


Taysom always runs right... It's weird
 
This was the Falcons’ super bowl. It’s the first game of the season so they can spend all training camp preparing for this game. They showed their cards and still lost. They didn’t blitz after we picked up just one of their blitzes. They knew it was too risky. They only have one good corner in AJ Terrell but once Michael Thomas got his groove back Terrell couldn’t guard him. If they double teamed Thomas then Olave and Landry get open.

They had some good tricks but once they ran out of disguises Jameis lit them up.

On offense we had too many heavy packages that played into their hands. I think it’s just programming from last year when we lacked weapons. All three of our top 3 receivers were essential to getting us the win. And I think this is what we should expect going forward. Pass to set up the run.

We need to look at how Minnesota uses Justin Jefferson and apply that to Olave. Put him in motion a lot. It’s going to be hard to double team CGM if Olave and Landry are making plays.

And something has to be done about Kamara’s most popular route. It’s very expected and defenses are guarding him with DBs. Fake the option out and zig back in. And add more routes to his tree!
Olave needs to be in motion multiple times per game. They won't know what hits them on D.
 
Is Ruiz the reason we don't run the QB power to the left? All the QBs runs went right.

Any concern for the DTs? I don't remember any plays where Patterson was hit in the back field. I'm not counting the toss play. I know AK had to dodge a few tacklers as soon as he touched the ball. On most of Patterson's runs he had lots of yards to pick up steam.
I think it has more to do with Ramczyk. He's our best run blocker right now so that's who we want to run behind when we need yards (when penning is back that may change or at least balance out). Ruiz is plenty athletic to pull around on power (we ran the QB sweep to the right too. And the Ingram 2pt play).

I think their success in the running game had less to do with our DTs and more with the home crowd + read option threat + solid gameplan. They were definitely winning the matchups up front but they basically ran 2 runs all game (inside and outside zone... You could even call that 1 run). They were just extremely sound.

Again, the saints made mistakes. But the falcons played VERY well. I think the tendency to boil everything down to personnel and play calling issues misses like 90% of what happened. It was really a gameplan that worked from the beginning vs a gameplan that didn't.
 
Good stuff Dan... Seemed to me that the issue with protection was not so much guys on the Oline getting beat (save a couple of losses to Jarett), but with free runners shooting gaps post snap... They didn't seem like incredibly complicated blitzes to me... just CB, S, and LBs coming free after the Oline or RB was already engaged.

Who's responsibility is it at this point to ID that pre-snap? Because I don't think we ever adjusted, or stopped it... ATL (for whatever reason) just stopped brining it.

Also, agreed that screens and quick hitters to the WRs/TEs are the way to combat that... but seemed like we never adjusted.
25% JW fault..25% Ruiz and Hurts..50% the 40 headsets. If this were to happen in upcoming weeks, I would attribute more of the pre-snap reads onus to JW. Why not work within his wheelhouse in a piped-in sound crowd and missing most of last season plus minimal pre-season snaps? Under center? For Dalton, yes. Not JW.
 

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