Where Would Sean Payton Rank Among Great Offensive Minds if He Wins Another Super Bowl? (2 Viewers)

[Zack Lee]

I'm not quite sure he gets into the top 10 of head coaches.

Here is a ranking of all head coaches who have won a super bowl from only a year ago:

Ranking Super Bowl-winning coaches: Is Belichick best ever?

He's pretty much at the bottom (25th out of 31), and the only notable coach he's ahead of is John Harbaugh. The rest you'd expect at the very bottom due to having very limited success outside of their one Super Bowl.

I think you can start to argue him right around the 9 spot in that list, when he gets his second title. But my guess is most people would rank him around 15. If he stays long enough and can get near that 175-200 win mark (currently at 105), then I think he's in the top 10 safely and arguably top 8.

I expect Brees to play 4 more seasons and average 11 wins, so that effectively gets Payton to 150 wins.

I would agree with the top of that list but after the top ten it gets sketchy. Ditka had far less to do with the Bears winning it all than that city would have you believe. Buddy Ryan made it clear that Ditka wasn't even welcome in the defensive meetings and that D was where it was at.

most of the list after the top ten is highly debatable.

 

[natedogg02]

I think he's right up there at the top. Wasn't his fault we lost to the Bears, 49er's, Minnesota. If it wasn't for a handful of bone headed Def plays, we could have 4 rings right now.

 

[Gold&Bold]

I would have to say top 20. These things are very hard to flesh out, however I think for him to turn this team around after Katrina, endure it all after Bountygate and then if he can bring it back atleast one more time, That deserves alot of Credit. I have always been the first to defend Payton with everything he is done, he is a winner through and through, but I also feel like there are Coaches that have overseen whole teams and really maximized results on both sides of the ball alot better than him. To me he is the greatest coach ever, but legacy wise, there are ALOT of amazing coaches through the years

I agree with you are saying, and another element that probably isn't mentioned is the tenure. I may be incorrect, but I believe SP is One of the fewest HC who has the longest tenure to date in terms of ten or more yrs ( not comparing the knolls/landry) just in the last ten yrs I believe he is in fact the longest. So. If you look at the last ten yrs, He has to be ranked up there.

 

[IceHot]

I would agree with the top of that list but after the top ten it gets sketchy. Ditka had far less to do with the Bears winning it all than that city would have you believe. Buddy Ryan made it clear that Ditka wasn't even welcome in the defensive meetings and that D was where it was at.

most of the list after the top ten is highly debatable.

Flores should be higher IMO, SP would be in Top 10 perhaps of SB coaches and is likely Top 10 Offensive mind without a Sb win.
But SP is not in my Top 10 All-Time coaches even with a 2nd SB win.

 

[mdharper]

For a little perspective on the question, where would Mike McCarthy rank on greatest offensive minds if he wins another Super Bowl?

It's pretty much the same question without the homer bias.

For me, if Green Bay wins the Super Bowl, it's Rogers that will get the credit. They're just going to say, all you need to do is give Roger a decent defense. I think the same thing will be said about the Saints and Brees. Sean Payton's greatness won't be hashed out until after the Drew Brees era.

 

[Saint Jack]

For a little perspective on the question, where would Mike McCarthy rank on greatest offensive minds if he wins another Super Bowl?

It's pretty much the same question without the homer bias.

For me, if Green Bay wins the Super Bowl, it's Rogers that will get the credit. They're just going to say, all you need to do is give Roger a decent defense. I think the same thing will be said about the Saints and Brees. Sean Payton's greatness won't be hashed out until after the Drew Brees era.

That's prolly the closest comparison, but I'll say that Payton/Brees are closer than McCarthy/Rodgers.

 

[Kross]

He is probably a top 10 offensive mind, he is not a top 10 coach, probably not even top 25.

He has established that he can build a great offense around a top 10, HOF QB. I'm interested to see what his second act will look like when Drew retires.

 

[meily]

I dont think he has to win another Super Bowl to be considered one of the greatest offensive minds in the history of the game...but to win another Super Bowl (which I hope happens) WILL cement him as one of the greatest COACHES of all time.

 

[Swimmer]

Where would SP be without all the invaluable insights and knowledge we have given him at SR????

Let' be real. We Who Dats at SR made SP the offensive genius he is today. Is there a chance my Prozac is off a wee bit?

 

[DoubleSaint]

He is probably a top 10 offensive mind, he is not a top 10 coach, probably not even top 25.

He has established that he can build a great offense around a top 10, HOF QB. I'm interested to see what his second act will look like when Drew retires.

I agree with that. I wouldn't class McCarthy as a top 10 coach, and he's been a head coach for the same amount of time (minus bounty gate) and he has a better winning % and a Superbowl win also.
So working on the same premise that other fans probably view SP in a similar way. Even another SB win wouldn't put him top 10. Too many years not even in the hunt for a wild card.

 

[MissippiWhoDat]

For a little perspective on the question, where would Mike McCarthy rank on greatest offensive minds if he wins another Super Bowl?

It's pretty much the same question without the homer bias.

For me, if Green Bay wins the Super Bowl, it's Rogers that will get the credit. They're just going to say, all you need to do is give Roger a decent defense. I think the same thing will be said about the Saints and Brees. Sean Payton's greatness won't be hashed out until after the Drew Brees era.

McCarthy can't hold SP's jock strap. Rodgers carries him. There's at least 10 offensive minds better than him currently coaching. Much less all time.

 

[St.Dan]

A second Super Bowl puts him in a serious conversation for any Top 10 list of great coaches in the Super Bowl era. It would further solidify him in the rare air of Bill Walsh, Don Coryell and Sid Gillman on the topic of offensive minds.

 

[mdharper]

McCarthy can't hold SP's jock strap. Rodgers carries him. There's at least 10 offensive minds better than him currently coaching. Much less all time.

Which is exactly what they'll say about Payton.

They can also say that SP had play calling taken away from him in New York and MM made Aaron Brooks look like a good QB as OC.

Personally I think Coach Payton is better at match-ups and I can't think of anything that sets McCarthy apart, but he's effective.

Both of these guys still have a lot of time ahead of them to write their own legacies apart from their HOF quarterbacks.

 

[MissippiWhoDat]

Which is exactly what they'll say about Payton.

They can also say that SP had play calling taken away from him in New York and MM made Aaron Brooks look like a good QB as OC.

Personally I think Coach Payton is better at match-ups and I can't think of anything that sets McCarthy apart, but he's effective.

Both of these guys still have a lot of time ahead of them to write their own legacies apart from their HOF quarterbacks.

IMO McCarthy is effective bc he has the greatest QB of all time.