Whose side are you on? (5 Viewers)

[rajncajn]

you must not write contracts for a living.

Intent is irrelevant. How is anyone supposed to know what someone else intended? If your intent was to have 5 papers submitted of a certain quality, state that.

If you want the hot tub included with the house you bought, you gonna intend for them to give it to you through the spirit of mutual satisfaction? No, you are going to put it in the contract.

The word that matters is explicit. As in written.

The only one who is doing anything morally wrong is the professor. He is assuming intent and leaving his students to figure it out. And when one did, they got bent.

With that said the kid is not only completely correct here, they should get extra credit it for working efficiently.

I already stated the kid is technically correct and the teacher needs to update his policy if that is his intent. I deal with contact requirements and specifications on a daily basis, so I very well know how a contractor can and will shirk responsibility due to technicalities in an insufficient contract and how sometimes that attitude can lead to business relationships running afoul.

 

[CoolBrees]

I already stated the kid is technically correct and the teacher needs to update his policy if that is his intent. I deal with contact requirements and specifications on a daily basis, so I very well know how a contractor can and will shirk responsibility due to technicalities in an insufficient contract and how sometimes that attitude can lead to business relationships running afoul.

Can you explain how a contractor “shirk” responsibility due to technicalities in an insufficient contract?

If they aren’t contracted to do something, what is the reasoning behind thinking they should do it for free?

 

[sfidc3]

He didn't follow the intent. The teacher's intent was obviously that the student actually applies some level of effort to each project. The student is basically taking advantage of a loophole because that is not expressly spelled out. In this particular circumstance, the student is technically rightand the teacher should update his policy. However, if the student continues through life trying to find loopholes to skirt around what he knows is expected it very well could come back to bite him.

Wow, someone needs lessons on how real life works.....like it or not sounds like the kid has a future as a very high paid lawyer.....

The only lesson in this story is the one the teacher should have learned....

 

[LonghornSaint]

I'm totally on the side of the student. Also, I feel like this type of grading philosophy is more geared towards helping those who legitimately want to (and CAN) bump their grade up a level. If a student is already an A student, as this one is, then if they want to intentionally ditch the last project so they can put more time into studying for the final (or not), so be it.

If I was the teacher, and I knew the situation that if the student busted butt to get a 100% despite it NOT making a difference in their final letter grade because they already had the A, I wouldn't even make them turn anything in.

What the teacher did was just give the student mindless busy work.

 

[jboss]

Not surprised at all by the Usual Suspect in this one

 

[LonghornSaint]

I'm reminded of this situation. Nothing wrong with students in going through previous test banks to get ideas on types of questions, and if the teacher is too lazy to come up with original questions, or even just modify test bank questions, and they don't state that those are off limits at the beginning of the semester, well, I don't think the students should be punished.

 

[SystemShock]

I agree with the teacher on moral principals, with the student on application of the rule. Student needs to learn a serious life lesson about action and consequences, but it shouldn't be here.

If anyone needs to learn a lesson here, is the teacher.

 

[SWJJ]

100% with the student

 

[bigdaddysaints]

He didn't follow the intent. The teacher's intent was obviously that the student actually applies some level of effort to each project. The student is basically taking advantage of a loophole because that is not expressly spelled out. In this particular circumstance, the student is technically rightand the teacher should update his policy. However, if the student continues through life trying to find loopholes to skirt around what he knows is expected it very well could come back to bite him.

i take advantage of loops holes as often as i can, especially at work. You think the company wouldn't hit you with a loophole if given a chance if it benfits them? absolutely 100% of the time.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I'm totally on the side of the student. Also, I feel like this type of grading philosophy is more geared towards helping those who legitimately want to (and CAN) bump their grade up a level. If a student is already an A student, as this one is, then if they want to intentionally ditch the last project so they can put more time into studying for the final (or not), so be it.

If I was the teacher, and I knew the situation that if the student busted butt to get a 100% despite it NOT making a difference in their final letter grade because they already had the A, I wouldn't even make them turn anything in.

What the teacher did was just give the student mindless busy work.

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the teacher has created a good layered grading system designed to help struggling students, but they're applying a one size fits all work model
and DUDE, it's one fewer projects you have to grade - teacher is doing themselves no favors

 

[GeauxWhoDats]

The Student.

The teacher defined the parameters of how the work of the students will be reviewed and weighted and the student stayed within those parameters. The teacher tried to change the parameters during the end semester for this one specific student and was overruled. Good Job Division Chair.

The student did learn a valuable life lesson here. He was able to plan ahead and apply much needed resources to a project with considerable more weight. How many adults do you know that are unable to be this organized in their current professional capacity?

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

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the teacher has created a good layered grading system designed to help struggling students, but they're applying a one size fits all work model
and DUDE, it's one fewer projects you have to grade - teacher is doing themselves no favors

Yeah I don't get this at all. Why does the instructor want even more work?

Half the professors I knew couldn't give two sheets about undergrads. They were too busy with grants. Even less for TAs who had way more important things to do.

 

[Krodwhodat]

I’m with the teacher. He emailed the teacher and we all know what the teacher meant, at least I hope we did. It’s pretty evident that he wanted the work done. It didn’t have to be A worthy but putting you name and title is doing nothing. This kid knew better but decided to test the teacher.

 

[Krodwhodat]

I don’t want to hear crap from anybody on hear about millionaires and billionaires using loop holes to pay less taxes than everyone because you are essentially agreeing with them.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

I’m with the teacher. He emailed the teacher and we all know what the teacher meant, at least I hope we did. It’s pretty evident that he wanted the work done. It didn’t have to be A worthy but putting you name and title is doing nothing. This kid knew better but decided to test the teacher.

you're salaried or hourly?