Why does our 5'6" receiver not do more comeback routes? (1 Viewer)

[No2DC]

I wonder if the critics will watch, all the people talking about misreads yesterday.

 

[Taker597]

DS was used in a non-typical RB way more than you probably remember. HIm and PT lined up in the backfield together, creating mis-matches, people don't know who the heck is doing what. A lot of our best offenses have been based on mismatches. Kamara and Harris line up in the backfield together, who are you going to sell out to stop?

I do think Harris has to be used more in screens and Texas concepts. Also, I like to see him in more open middle field match ups. Unless it's a curl route or a comeback... I really don't want Harris being pinned to the sideline.

 

[No2DC]

I do think Harris has to be used more in screens and Texas concepts. Also, I like to see him in more open middle field match ups. Unless it's a curl route or a comeback... I really don't want Harris being pinned to the sideline.

According to Deuce, he's our best route runner. Sad.

 

[Taker597]

I wonder if the critics will watch, all the people talking about misreads yesterday.

Can someone point me the difference between a Winston slow start and a Brees slow starts...

QB have slow starts sometimes. They really grasp their anti-Winston hate as much they can to discredit him when they can't overblown his handful of bad plays that Drew also make.

It's odd.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

...Don’t even get me started on why we don’t run option routes for Kamara as the first read on first or second downs. Coach has forgotten that play, it seems.

It's like those routes have been deleted from the playbook!!!

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

There's a reason the NFL doesn't have any 5'6 receivers. Even when Harris is open his catching radius is so small it takes a perfect throw to get it to him. NFL CBs are too good of athletes that window doesn't stay open long enough.

Similar (but different because it's a deep ball vs comeback route) to Hills terrible deep ball throw to Harris. You just can't afford to be late whatsoever. NFL CBs are just too good and windows don't stay open long, especially when your receiver is 5'6 and the defending CB has a significantly larger catch radius.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Can someone point me the difference between a Winston slow start and a Brees slow starts...

QB have slow starts sometimes. They really grasp their anti-Winston hate as much they can to discredit him when they can't overblown his handful of bad plays that Drew also make.

It's odd.

100%.

First year playing with new (discount bin) receivers too. Crazy how the anti-winston fans just hate on the guy.

He is 4th in QBR. Give him some slack.

 

[gregh]

if they need more speed why not let the guy White play? he cant be any worse if hes open and drops the ball, atleast hes open, these guys cant even do that. atleast its an attempt and not a sack

 

[Judge_Smails]

if they need more speed why not let the guy White play? he cant be any worse if hes open and drops the ball, atleast hes open, these guys cant even do that. atleast its an attempt and not a sack

And less likely to be intercepted if he is open and drops it as opposed to the DB right there when he drops it.

 

[TomThomster7]

It has been an aggravation of mine over the many years that I have watched football.
There should be more " playground " ball in the NFL.
For one thing, players give up on plays.
Keep running, WRs.
Continue blocking, linemen - as well as anyone else without the ball.
But when it comes to WRs ( or any receiver position) and QBs, there should be more ad lib plays.
The back shoulder pass is a part of this, but this play is now common.
And the comeback route is something that we should be seeing a lot more.
How many times have you seen an interception that could easily have been avoided by the receiver coming back for the ball?
Short, medium and long plays - cut your route short quickly and immediately head back towards the QB, or to the open area.
And I say " THE open area " because more often than not, there will be an open area somewhere.
Of course, this type of play is more viable when players have been together a while.
I know - this is the pros, and this kind of play may be discouraged, but today's very successful QBs excel at improvisation.
My point is that coaches should CALL improv plays.
Make them part of the playbook.
I guess I'm saying, primarily, that there is plenty opportunity during a game for what you could call a " trick play " - like one where it's 1st and goal on the 8 yard line ;
the WR is near one corner of the end zone ;
he is covered ;
so he takes off towards the middle of the end zone ;
the defender goes with him ;
the QB, who may be scrambling, but can still see downfield, throws the ball HIGH BACK TO THE CORNER THAT THE WR just left ;
the WR stops suddenly WITHOUT LOOKING TO WHERE THE BALL IS HEADING ;
he cuts back to the corner, where he catches the ball, that hung in the air a while because of the extra high pass, while his defender is no where near him.
As kids, we pulled plays like this all of the time.
Playground ball.
Or how about, say on a post pattern, the WR acts as though the ball is already approaching him by lifting his arms up, when the ball is actually going to land another ten yards up the field.
The defender takes the fake, slows down a little, and this is all the time the WR needs to lose the defender and make a wide open catch.
I'm sure this stuff happens in the NFL, but I think it should be more prevalent.
Bit going back to the issue that brought this short novel on, comeback plays are something that receivers need to always be aware of.
As well as QBs.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

I might be wrong but I thought they said during the broadcast that Jamies didn’t have the touch or just didn’t like throwing to RB out the backfield

It is and was mentioned by coach as well.

I think that is a fan narrative. Besides the best set for that option route is Kamara in the backfield but in a wide set or closer to QB with motion and then the option route, which is upfield and a cut based on the defender position. It’s not a flat pass or screen.

May be pushed by fans now but CSP has spoken about it too. Winston does not like to throw to the backs, I’d imagine it’s because touch passing isn’t part of his game. (I’m a Jameis fan and am pulling for him)

 

[sfidc3]

We should try running Harris out the backfield a few times, not jet sweeps, between the tackles. He's so good at making people miss and lethal in open space.

See below, those are high risk plays for a guy the size of Harris....

No way bro. He will get killed between the tackles. He may be short like Sproles, but Darren was nicknamed "Tank" and Deonte is no where near being a tank. He's a guy you want to be free of contact not running into 300lb DT's.

What I would like to see is him lined up in the backfield and run wheel routes, texas routes, or screens. That could be effective imo.

Yep....Sproles outweighs Harris by 20lbs....