With the Saints staring at "cap Hell" next offseason... Let's look at the salaries.. (2 Viewers)

[Alaina]

Doesn't the new media contract kick in next year?

 

[Brees Lee]

based on this link we have a lot of ppl we can get rid of or reconstruct their contract.

IMO: Ellis, Rom Harper, Shanle, Herring, Will Smith, Devery are all gone.

Vilma and Chase's contracts may be reconstructed to cost less against the cap (done by Loomis magic i dont understand). then we will be under by the wave of Loomis magic pen and all will be well.

Agree on all but Harper, he will restructure and he will stay here. Harper has his troubles in coverage, he is still one of the better SS in the NFL.

 

[Super]

Doesn't the new media contract kick in next year?

Yeah, doesn't the cap go up like 25 mil next year?

 

[Galbreath34]

Make sure you look at "cap numbers" not base salary numbers.

Loomis/Saints like most franchises tend to frontload the signing bonus where they can.

For instance, I'm 99% sure Brees' cap number doesn't jump quite as much as the base salary (may only be 1 million or so difference downward). The key is more the cap number than the salary, though, overall, we do have a tight cap, and guys like Bunkley are likely to either have to renegotiate or have us take a hit to clean 2014 and forward up.

 

[manny43076]

Vilma, smith, the brod gone. And Harper doesn't deserve anything near 5 million. Problem solved. Next...

 

[Galbreath34]

Actually for Brees, looked it up, it's 10.4 to 17.4 for cap number so pretty much the same as the base salary change.

Still, no doubt we'll be tight next year, but the chances of us spending big on yet another DT/DE or CB next year were slim anyway, and most other places we're probably ok with development of who we have.

I'd rather bite the bullet a bit next year though, and start freeing stuff up for 2014 and 2015 drafts when we should have all picks and when we should be needing to replace some players badly.

It's a shame the site NOLAnuffsaid linked misuses cap hit for cap number. The interesting thing to know would be the cap hit on some of the overpaid guys, because you get "hit" for the rest of the signing bonus you prorated out when you cut someone. That's the key to knowing who they can actually cut without hurting themselves worse against the cap than stringing them along.

 

[CantonLegend]

Starter is relative.

Devery is not a key cog to the offense. If he walks, he walks. Assuming we adjust accordingly, we should be fine without him. Shanle isn't a starter anymore and has been a healthy scratch two weeks.

Will Smith, while a good player, is not a game changer anymore. Galette has had real success and not just on 3rd down duty. Assuming you draft a DE at some point as well, it just makes sense that Smith is gone at his salary. And I don't think we lose much if we adjust accordingly.

Herring is just a backup and expendable. Ellis will probably be back, just on a cheaper deal.

On that list, I don't buy that Harper goes anywhere. Maybe he restructures. But he's here next year.

devery doesnt catch a lot of balls but last week when we played the eagles, john gruden pointed out something about devery henderson and how his role is pivotal in the scheming of our offense. he may not catch many balls, but his ability to stretch the field and take a safety away almost every play makes our short and intermediate routes that much more effective. i dont think he needs to get paid a lot, but the dude is one of the best WRs the saints have ever had. he needs to retire here and since he's only going to be 31 next year, i bet we sign him to a smaller contract for about 2 or 3 years and he finishes his career out here

ellis will be back. he plays too much not to be.

will smith is getting a little older for the DE position but just like i said about devery, the dude is a lifelong saint and one of the best DEs we've ever had. he has to finish his career out here. a nice restructure should solve that and i cant see it not getting done

 

[donato]

ellis will be back. he plays too much not to be.

at what? the vet minimum???

 

[MistaWhoDat]

based on this link we have a lot of ppl we can get rid of or reconstruct their contract.

Imo: Ellis, rom harper, shanle, herring, will smith, devery are all gone.

Vilma and chase's contracts may be reconstructed to cost less against the cap (done by loomis magic i dont understand). Then we will be under by the wave of loomis magic pen and all will be well.

i agree with all those guys being let go

 

[theicebox]

Maybe it's me, but with all the bad this offseason, to the 0-4 start to finally winning some games, to knocking off the undefeated Falcons and giving a glimmer of playoff hope, I thought I would come here today and be happy reading all the positive stuff .........and the first thread at top is "were looking at cap hell"! Oh well, so much for 24 hours of positivity.

Since were keepimg it happy, maybe we will free up some cap space with Payton leaving for Dallas?

I bet you since the major news networks dont have any more dirt on us. I bet they start bringing this up.

 

[Super Dad]

drew converts all to cash and no impact to cap, we cut smith.... Loomis will make it work

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

Actually for Brees, looked it up, it's 10.4 to 17.4 for cap number so pretty much the same as the base salary change.

Yes, base salary always counts against the cap (as well as any roster bonus paid in that year)
Basically cap number = base salary + roster bonus + pro-rated signing bonus. Which is why guys who have big base salary jumps and/or roster bonuses, who are several years into their contracts are prime targets for cuts/renegotiations of their contracts.

When a player is cut/traded, the remaining pro-rated signing bonus is immediately accelerated and counts against the cap as "Dead" money (money that counts against the cap, to player who aren't on your roster)

Its a bit more complicated than that (you can now spread out the dead money cap hit over two years, for instance), but theres no way to hide base salary beyond renegotiating the contract and converting base salary to signing bonus. The cap hit is still accelerated, but if the player is on the tail end of their contract this usually doesn't amount to as much as if you paid them their base salary (for some reason, salaries nowadays are quite often heavily backloaded). Players usually don't mind this as long as they get the same amount of guaranteed money (i.e., signing bonus and that years base salary/roster bonus), or they think that they're not going to earn more the open market (Will Smith would not)

 

[bornnraisedwhodat]

Gonna have to cut Bunkley.

 

[Galbreath34]

Yes, base salary always counts against the cap (as well as any roster bonus paid in that year)
Basically cap number = base salary + roster bonus + pro-rated signing bonus. Which is why guys who have big base salary jumps and/or roster bonuses, who are several years into their contracts are prime targets for cuts/renegotiations of their contracts.

When a player is cut/traded, the remaining pro-rated signing bonus is immediately accelerated and counts against the cap as "Dead" money (money that counts against the cap, to player who aren't on your roster)

Its a bit more complicated than that (you can now spread out the dead money cap hit over two years, for instance), but theres no way to hide base salary beyond renegotiating the contract and converting base salary to signing bonus. The cap hit is still accelerated, but if the player is on the tail end of their contract this usually doesn't amount to as much as if you paid them their base salary (for some reason, salaries nowadays are quite often heavily backloaded). Players usually don't mind this as long as they get the same amount of guaranteed money (i.e., signing bonus and that years base salary/roster bonus), or they think that they're not going to earn more the open market (Will Smith would not)

Yeah, what I meant is sometimes teams with more space when they do a big signing count more of the bonus in the first year and pro-rate less. So I wasn't sure if Drew's signing bonus was an even spread, and it is.

 

[donato]

Gonna have to cut Bunkley.

Going off of what livefromdc posted, that seems unlikely.