Would you pay Brock Purdy $55 million a year to be Saints franchise QB? [mod edit] (12 Viewers)

[St. Geezy]

Just to throw it into the ether. Carr was better than Purdy in almost every category last year. Comp%, TD%, Int%, QB Rating, Sk%.

The Carr haters:

 

[Mamba]

Neither is Carr.

The irony of Saints fan saying this is too much.

What is it about being a Saints fan that disqualifies him/her from being critical of giving Brock Purdy a massive contract? None of us work in the Saints front office. We’re fans.

 

[BBarnes]

Heck no! Brock won me a lot of money over his time at Iowa state, but heck no. He’s literally the definition of a system QB. This is an easy, no.

 

[St. Geezy]

The irony of Saints fan saying this is too much.

False equivalence.

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Shanahan is a choke artist

I’d rather be in the restaurant choking than down the street at the back of the line trying to get in.

 

[DSnfla]

They are tearing their team apart anyway. I don't see the point of having a mid-level $55 million AAV QB on a team that has been torn apart. It will make it harder for them to have the money to rebuild and by the time they do rebuild he might not be the QB anyway.

Personally, if I were them I'd look for a young vet free agent or trade for a young vet like Malik Willis or Milton. Then build the team while having more money. But, yes, worst case scenario I'd sign Garoppolo, Flacco, or even Winston before giving Purdy that money for that long.

They are not tearing the team apart so much, but they are trying to get younger. Most of the guys they got rid of are over 30.

 

[DSnfla]

It’s a heck no for me. It’s great to get a young QB in the draft and build around them, but not a great idea to pay one on their second or third contracts. People will point to Brees, but he is the exception that breaks the rule and he was injured when we signed him.

We need to draft a guy, no good way around it.

I disagree, this is a very poor QB draft class. Almost as bad as the yr Pickett was the best prospect. To tell the truth I don't really see a game changer elite QB in next yrs draft either

 

[DSnfla]

If you can’t put up good numbers unless you have Christian McCaffrey, George Kittle, Brandon Aiyuk, Deebo Samuel all healthy, then you’re not elite.
Purdy = Joe Flacco

LOL , if all those guys were not healthy Mahomes couldn't put up good #'s

 

[SweetT]

I’d rather be in the restaurant choking than down the street at the back of the line trying to get in.

Good point

 

[Hank]

As a Saints fan if Brock Purdy was our QB would you feel comfortable with them paying him $55 million per year for 5 years?

Doesn't matter---49er's are going to pay him

 

[Geldo]

Heck no! Brock won me a lot of money over his time at Iowa state, but heck no. He’s literally the definition of a system QB. This is an easy, no.

I'm not a coach but the monkey on my shoulder is whispering in my ear......'what exactly is wrong with a system QB?'
I mean if he is successful in a system then he's successful, you just have to build an offence around him - which is exactly what you'd do with any franchise guy right?

 

[Doug B]

Geldo's right on. Strictly, prime Peyton Manning and Tim Brady were system quarterbacks to the extent that when they moved on to different teams, their offenses went with them. Manning in Denver and Brady in Tampa, respectively, were their teams' de facto offensive coordinators (for Brady, after a few games wrangling with Bruce Arians).

If you put either of those guys, in their primes, on the Dennis Allen-Pete Carmichael 2022-23 Saints and forced them to run exactly the plays Carmichael called (no "Omaha" stuff at the line), they'd have looked only a little better than Derek Carr looked. Let them run Manning's "Tom Moore" offense and the stuff Brady & Josh McDaniels cooked up in New England, however, and even Dennis Allen's Saints would've been a contender for the NFC title.

 

[TribuneUK]

Geldo's right on. Strictly, prime Peyton Manning and Tim Brady were system quarterbacks to the extent that when they moved on to different teams, their offenses went with them. Manning in Denver and Brady in Tampa, respectively, were their teams' de facto offensive coordinators (for Brady, after a few games wrangling with Bruce Arians).

If you put either of those guys, in their primes, on the Dennis Allen-Pete Carmichael 2022-23 Saints and forced them to run exactly the plays Carmichael called (no "Omaha" stuff at the line), they'd have looked only a little better than Derek Carr looked. Let them run Manning's "Tom Moore" offense and the stuff Brady & Josh McDaniels cooked up in New England, however, and even Dennis Allen's Saints would've been a contender for the NFC title.

I'd say don't fall into the trap of equalising all QBs based only on the offensive system as the true differentiator. That's an excuse someone has been trying to peddle around here for too long, for a serial failure at the position they can't quit their love for.

Being in the right system, the right coaching, the right culture, the right team around them are all major factors for QB performance, but the likes of Manning and Brady would still be head and shoulders (and chest and hips and more) above the likes of Carr, even if all other things were equal. The book on Carr has been out for a while, he needs a clean pocket, the opportunity to uncork his arm for deep shots and a soft handed intermediate target to bail him out, usually at TE. Those other guys you mention were far better, in adversity or otherwise, on a consistent level that Carr won't ever touch, being completely truthful. And I say that hoping he has success here, but the comparison with those HOF players is entirely unequal.

 

[Doug B]

TribuneUK, thanks for the thoughtful reply. I think where we disagree fundamentally is just in how much incompetent coaching/playcalling (and, yes, culture) can hamstring even great players.

There are a lot of examples in the pro football annals, but one man's opinion has always stuck with me. Roger Staubach has said more than once that had he gone to the Saints and Archie Manning gone to the Cowboys, Archie would've been the Hall of Famer and he (Staubach) would've been the hapless loser in New Orleans. I think that kind of thing plays out often in pro sports, and especially for quarterbacks in the NFL.

 

[meily]

If you have a QB your franchise feel it can build around then you pay market value for said player, no different than any other player worth keeping.