N/S Zack Baun: Top Graded LB / DPOTW [Why Baun Isn’t Still a Saint Thread] (5 Viewers)

[Snakehead]

Makes you wonder how many young guys are on our roster that might tear it up for other teams.

Or tear it up in a new system here.

 

[sfidc3]

1. They did find ways to get him on the field. But he didn't overtake DD or Werner.

2. Where is it reported that the Saints didn't offer more than the Eagles? You still can't refute the basic and self evidential truth that the player chose to try his luck elsewhere. Are you going to put a near-$20m tag on a rotational LB just to keep him?

3. So the coaching staff moved the player around in an attempt to find ways to get him on the field, as you demanded at the top of your post, and this actually contributed to him feeling uncertain about his abilities and deciding to go somewhere else? Oh, the irony! Maybe your blinding insight on point 1 isn't all that great after all.

I still think there is a reasonable debate to be had over whether, at the end of 2023, ZB was worth keeping based on future potential, meaning also deciding to ditch all pro LB and team leader DD. But if we're truthful with ourselves, rather than desperately rushing to berate the team over 'another former Saint that flourished elsewhere', that is a hard sell.

1) Sounds like a half hearted attempt, maybe he didn’t overtake them because he never got a fair chance, I don’t know and you don’t either….
2) Where is it reported that the Saints did offer more than the Eagles, I googled and couldn’t find anything about the Saints offering Baun a contract at all…would like to know if they did if anyone knows….
3) I didn’t “demand anything”, and again, perhaps the defensive coaching staff just totally whiffed on how talented he was, is that not at least a possibility? Because your position seems to rule it out entirely….

Thanks for being so truthful, and no one is “desperately rushing to berate the team”….Just pointing out what appears to be an obvious mistake, mistakes happen, drama much?

 

[State Of Affairs]

Except Baun is playing exactly the role that the Saints trained Baun to play and he was a square peg when they moved him to Mike. I get that DA was a terrible head coach, but not everything he did was wrong. At least not when it came to defense. And, IIRC, Anzalone's big problem here was that he could not stay healthy. Kind of similar to T-Rex until his last year here.

I started to point this out but didn’t want to waste my time.

I was pulling for Davenport sooo hard and when the Saints let TH walk, I did a comparison of their first three year in the league and it was eye opening how similar they were in missed games because injury and sacks.

And, I’ve heard media openly point out that the Saints thought THs big season was a fluke.

I guess I’m saying that as much as I want to bury the coaches and team for putting the team in this position, these departures, while they were failures, the decisions made sense at the time.

 

[Deuuuuce]

I guess I’m saying that as much as I want to bury the coaches and team for putting the team in this position, these departures, while they were failures, the decisions made sense at the time.

For me, it’s not about the decision to let Baun go, it’s more about not being able to figure out how to get the most out of him in the years he was here. That’s bad coaching. Clearly Baun is an every down player, and we were trying to use him as a pass rush specialist.

 

[webster]

Talent evaluation has been horrendous

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Talent evaluation has been horrendous

LB talent was deep while Baun was here. Can’t play 4 or 5 LBs at one time or field an entire defense of LBs. Played behind 3 ready LBs for 3 years. He didn’t want to be a rotational 3rd LB.

 

[TribuneUK]

1) Sounds like a half hearted attempt, maybe he didn’t overtake them because he never got a fair chance, I don’t know and you don’t either….
2) Where is it reported that the Saints did offer more than the Eagles, I googled and couldn’t find anything about the Saints offering Baun a contract at all…would like to know if they did if anyone knows….
3) I didn’t “demand anything”, and again, perhaps the defensive coaching staff just totally whiffed on how talented he was, is that not at least a possibility? Because your position seems to rule it out entirely….

Thanks for being so truthful, and no one is “desperately rushing to berate the team”….Just pointing out what appears to be an obvious mistake, mistakes happen, drama much?

So no conclusive evidence either way, then. Which suggests that 200+ posts on this topic have overblown the situation somewhat.

Players move on. All across the league. Sometimes by their own choice, other times not. Sometimes they get better opportunities/production elsewhere, other times they don't. It doesn't necessarily constitute a smoking gun of ineptitude.

P.S. If you really don't see the headlong rush to berate the franchise on every possible occasion, I'm not sure how I could convince you otherwise.

 

[sfidc3]

So no conclusive evidence either way, then. Which suggests that 200+ posts on this topic have overblown the situation somewhat.

Players move on. All across the league. Sometimes by their own choice, other times not. Sometimes they get better opportunities/production elsewhere, other times they don't. It doesn't necessarily constitute a smoking gun of ineptitude.

P.S. If you really don't see the headlong rush to berate the franchise on every possible occasion, I'm not sure how I could convince you otherwise.

PS: It puzzles me to no end how far folks will go to defend the complete, absolute, abject failure of the DA era (It was the definition of a smoking gun of ineptitude) it’s truly mind boggling, some of the supposed “real” experts on this board couldn’t have been more wrong…..

Works both ways, comprendre?

 

[TribuneUK]

PS: It puzzles me to no end how far folks will go to defend the complete, absolute, abject failure of the DA era (It was the definition of a smoking gun of ineptitude) it’s truly mind boggling, some of the supposed “real” experts on this board couldn’t have been more wrong…..

Works both ways, comprendre?

Nope, not really. Conflating the overall failure of the team, staff and organisation into meaning that each and every one of its individual endeavours were inherently a failure is the conclusion of a mind failing at the basic requirements of critical thinking.

The season is an abject failure. The HC couldn't fulfill the role he held. The staff and players have done very badly on so, so many fronts. But that doesn't mean they did nothing whatsoever right. That's just silly.

I think you may need to drop trying these increasingly circuitous routes to declare the Baun situation as per your desired outlook.

 

[sfidc3]

Nope, not really. Conflating the overall failure of the team, staff and organisation into meaning that each and every one of its individual endeavours were inherently a failure is the conclusion of a mind failing at the basic requirements of critical thinking.

The season is an abject failure. The HC couldn't fulfill the role he held. The staff and players have done very badly on so, so many fronts. But that doesn't mean they did nothing whatsoever right. That's just silly.

I think you may need to drop trying these increasingly circuitous routes to declare the Baun situation as per your desired outlook.

I’m sure they did everything right with Baun….you’re right, that’s just silly….

Yes, really, above is a nonsensical word salad….I think you may need a more convincing argument…..

 

[TribuneUK]

I’m sure they did everything right with Baun….you’re right, that’s just silly….

Yes, really, above is a nonsensical word salad….I think you may need a more convincing argument…..

Well, the quality of argument you've presented has degraded really rather rapidly, hasn't it?

There's now literally nothing there, other than a baseless objection to being disagreed with.

Toodle pip, old fruit.

 

[sfidc3]

Well, the quality of argument you've presented has degraded really rather rapidly, hasn't it?

There's now literally nothing there, other than a baseless objection to being disagreed with.

Toodle pip, old fruit.

Haha, from a condescending know it all, I take that as a complement….Pip pip and onward….

 

[NewOrleansFan]

Kadem Elliss also has a good year.

 

[Cajun Chat]

Where would this old defense be right now had we kept Hendrickson, Elliss, Baun?

Complete mismanagement of talent.

 

[Cajun Chat]

For good measure throw in Dan Campbell into that mix. They were all in the building!