nose tackle is priority number 1 with a 3 - 4 alignment (1 Viewer)

[jerzysko]

Tez and Gilette should be fine... and all the OLB draft prospects at 15 have far greater flaws than the NT's and we have to hit on this pick

 

[guillermo]

Trade for Terrance Cody probably wouldn't cost much

Cody is becoming a very important piece of the ravens defense. Ngata is playing most of the time at end besides Cody, who is now the main nose for Baltimore.

I would love to take a look at Alan Branch, he was a disappointment in Arizona but I think he is getting into his best football with Seattle. I don't think he would command a huge salary, perfect for a backup to Bunkley. The only thing I don't like is that he is already 28, and I want the new signings below 26-27.

 

[St. Guinness]

Bunkley was the highest rated 3-4 DE in the league in 2011 according to PFF. He was also one of the highest rates players on our defense (it was either him or Jordan, don't exactly remember).

Why was he rated so high? Because he was damn good at what he was brought here to do. Occupy blockers and defend the run game in the middle of the line. PFF rates every single play so each play counts. The Saints weren't all that terrible against the run up the middle. The 5.2 yards that keeps getting spouted is skewed by off tackle runs where the Saints were last in the league. That's on the linebackers, not Bunk. I also remember the KC game and I also remember that 90+ run was off the left side.

Bunk should be fine in the middle for first and second down.

 

[Boondock]

I just got done watching tape on the top 3 DT/NT that we would have a chance to draft, excluding Star Lotulelei, because he will be drafted way earlier than we'll pick.

So, I reviewed tape on Jesse Williams, Johnathan Hankins and John Jenkins. John Jenkins was the most disappointing, in my opinion. He had no explosiveness whatsoever. I mean he rarely, if ever, put pressure on the pocket and was strictly a lane clogger that got blown up by double teams on more occasions than you would like from a NT.

Johnathan Hankins is very nimble for a man weighing 330lbs. He pressured the pocket consistently, demanded a double team and had good backside pursuit. The only thing I noticed that I didnt like was he wore down easily. Which is understandable for a man of his stature, but he will have to work on that.

Lastly, Jesse Williams. He was by far the most explosive of the 3 NT's that I reviewed. He displayed tremendous explosiveness, demanded a double team almost always (occasionally demand a triple team) and collapsed the pocket A LOT! He didnt have the nimbleness of Hankins, but he had much better strength and was never moved off the line of scrimmage in the tapes I reviewed. Even against constant double teams. My biggest worry with Williams is his injury history. He injured his right knee in community college and just recently in the SEC Championship game, he irritated the injury. I didnt read anything about needing surgery for the most recent incident though.

So, needless to say Jesse Williams would be my pick!

 

[nosaints213]

I don't get it. Bunkley is one of the strongest players in the league, and he consistently grades out as one of the top run defenders in the league (#1 two years ago with the Broncos).

If you watched him play at all in Denver, even though they ran the 4-3, he still lined up over the center, which is where the NT lines up in the 3-4. The guy is obviously capable of holding down the position, and actually, I think he'll play better when we switch.

Chill guys. D-Line is set between Hicks (LDE), Bunkley (NT), and Jordan (RDE).

 

[jerzysko]

Bunkley was the highest rated 3-4 DE in the league in 2011 according to PFF. He was also one of the highest rates players on our defense (it was either him or Jordan, don't exactly remember).

Why was he rated so high? Because he was damn good at what he was brought here to do. Occupy blockers and defend the run game in the middle of the line. PFF rates every single play so each play counts. The Saints weren't all that terrible against the run up the middle. The 5.2 yards that keeps getting spouted is skewed by off tackle runs where the Saints were last in the league. Thon the linebackers, not Bunk. I also remember the KC game and I also remember that 90+ run was off the left side.

Bunk should be fine in the middle for first and second down.

Wanna try throwing in a fact every once in a while??? 90 yard run... hahaha.. Charles had 233 on the ground and avg 7.1 per looks like 143 yards worth you need to account for. Lofton 13 tackles, Hicks 8 Tackles, Smith 6 tkls 1 Sck 3 hits on QB, Jordan 5 tkls, Galette 2tkls 2 Sacks .... in the KC game

Bunk 2 Tackles 1 solo???? We gave up 273 rushing yards!!! That's on the guy we are paying $25 mil... Your right hahaha he's worth every penny. Run stuffer that doesn't stop the run. EVER

 

[CitySaint]

PFF total run stats against KC. Bunkley would primarily be in the LG and C range.

 

[JackDiesel]

Wanna try throwing in a fact every once in a while??? 90 yard run... hahaha.. Charles had 233 on the ground and avg 7.1 per looks like 143 yards worth you need to account for. Lofton 13 tackles, Hicks 8 Tackles, Smith 6 tkls 1 Sck 3 hits on QB, Jordan 5 tkls, Galette 2tkls 2 Sacks .... in the KC game

Bunk 2 Tackles 1 solo???? We gave up 273 rushing yards!!! That's on the guy we are paying $25 mil... Your right hahaha he's worth every penny. Run stuffer that doesn't stop the run. EVER

Fact, Bunkley played 1/3rd of the snaps against KC. 21 out of 50 run plays. Fact, he graded positively by PFF that game. Fact, after Cam Jordan he had the highest run grade out of any player on our defense this season.

Another fun fact, if Charles was the one obliterating us then they running all over our nickel package. We used 4 DT's that game; Hicks, Bunkley, Ellis, and Johnson. Of those 4, Hicks graded +1.5, Bunkley graded +.6, Ellis graded -1, and Johnson -1.4. Since Johnson is in our nickel packages that further proves my point that they did most of their damage against our nickel package. And on his 91 yard TD Bunkley wasn't even on the field and it was an off tackle run anyways.

Just go watch the Charles highlights from that game and educate yourself before you post any more garbage about Bunkley. Charles obliterated us that game but you'd have to have never watched the game and only looked at the box score to think Bunkley was at fault.

 

[nosaints213]

Wanna try throwing in a fact every once in a while??? 90 yard run... hahaha.. Charles had 233 on the ground and avg 7.1 per looks like 143 yards worth you need to account for. Lofton 13 tackles, Hicks 8 Tackles, Smith 6 tkls 1 Sck 3 hits on QB, Jordan 5 tkls, Galette 2tkls 2 Sacks .... in the KC game

Bunk 2 Tackles 1 solo???? We gave up 273 rushing yards!!! That's on the guy we are paying $25 mil... Your right hahaha he's worth every penny. Run stuffer that doesn't stop the run. EVER

Man, you are so far off it's not even funny. They gashed us on the edge, and that has nothing to do with Bunk. He held down the middle all year. Tackles don't mean **** for a guy who is supposed to occupy blockers so that others can make plays.

 

[Fun Bunch]

Wanna try throwing in a fact every once in a while??? 90 yard run... hahaha.. Charles had 233 on the ground and avg 7.1 per looks like 143 yards worth you need to account for. Lofton 13 tackles, Hicks 8 Tackles, Smith 6 tkls 1 Sck 3 hits on QB, Jordan 5 tkls, Galette 2tkls 2 Sacks .... in the KC game

Bunk 2 Tackles 1 solo???? We gave up 273 rushing yards!!! That's on the guy we are paying $25 mil... Your right hahaha he's worth every penny. Run stuffer that doesn't stop the run. EVER

Do you even read? Serious question.

Stats are irrelevant for NTs. Look at PRoFootball Focus. Go educate yourself. Then come back here.

 

[SuperRemo]

I don't think we have good enough LBs.

We need an OLB. Martez Wilson can be groomed for it and Gallete will play also but we need a better option.

I'm not happy with Lofton and Hawthorne as 3-4 ILB. They are short and not fast. Exactly the opposite of what you need.

IN a 3-4 you need teh ILB to cover the WR and TE a lot so they have to be large tall and cover a lot of area.

They are good tackler but we can add someone here like Larry Grant.

 

[greg8710]

A good NT is pretty key, but with the utter garbage you guys have for OLB, I think that's the better place to start.

I can call you all the names in the book, say i'd beat you up if id ever see you, but knowing you're most likely a falcons fan and probably haven't seen many Saints games while thinking you know so much more than the coaching staff, I believe that's bad enough. So say what what you want to say, i'm
just glad im not you.


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[SuperRemo]

Bunkley was stout this year. Unfortunately we got eaten up on the outside, mostly to Will Smith's side either by the read option, cutback or sweep. Jordan was very good and the rare times his side was beaten it was because teh OLB was horrific, aka Herring or Shanle or Vilma.

Point is we need to replace Smith and improve the LBs. 1 OLB and 1 ILB would be nice as I'm not sold on Hawthorne as an ILB in 3-4

 

[jerzysko]

Read what's been written???? Bunk only plays 1/3 of Downs and has 0 impact on stopping the run... we need the rarest of player.... a run stopping DE??? I live 10 min from Philly and saw Bunk get benched and traded here. Good DT who been on 3 teams in 7 yrs.

 

[Belfast Saint]

Read what's been written???? Bunk only plays 1/3 of Downs and has 0 impact on stopping the run... we need the rarest of player.... a run stopping DE??? I live 10 min from Philly and saw Bunk get benched and traded here. Good DT who been on 3 teams in 7 yrs.

I think you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. While it's difficult to find any bright spots in the worst defense in NFL History, it's also very easy to make the incorrect assumption that everything is terrible, and equally so.

You may have a point in that Bunkley is well-paid for playing what is essentially a small role. However, when you examine the defense, I don't think Bunkley is the problem. I haven't watched every game and evaluated Bunkley with my own eyes so would refrain from comment on how good he was. But others, who get paid for it, have and seem to think Bunkley was at least decent. You may not wish to take that at face value, which is fair enough. If you want to make a stronger argument though, go watch all the film yourself and evaluate Bunkley properly. What you find may or may not support your premise.

(And to be honest, I'd love to get an opinion on Bunkley from someone who knows our team and who's spent a good bit of time watching film and evaluating)