COVID-19 Outbreak Information Updates (Reboot) [over 150.000,000 US cases (est.), 6,422,520 US hospitilizations, 1,148,691 US deaths.] (8 Viewers)

[Doug B]

Very interesting video. It's 37 minutes long, but I found it very interesting.

Cliffs Notes? Or maybe a spot to skip to? 37 minutes is a considerable investment

 

[SharonT]

Very interesting video. It's 37 minutes long, but I found it very interesting.

This guy's not a doctor or epidemiologist or anything, but even so, I got concerned a few seconds in when he started making assumptions about the why. "Looking at numbers," we can't confuse correlation with causation.

The discussion on the lowering of the death rate, the phenomena of people showing less symptoms, etc, is a big deal. Without adequate TESTING and TRACING though we're just making assumptions.

Current thought is that those wearing masks religiously are protecting themselves from a high viral load that they may have otherwise been exposed to. Maybe you are in contact with someone asymptomatic, but through both masks only a minute number wind up in your lungs. That gives your body enough time to build a defense, and it's that time that is critical. If this theory is correct, we need to keep on doing what we're doing.

 

[Dan in Lafayette]

This guy's not a doctor or epidemiologist or anything, but even so, I got concerned a few seconds in when he started making assumptions about the why. "Looking at numbers," we can't confuse correlation with causation.

The discussion on the lowering of the death rate, the phenomena of people showing less symptoms, etc, is a big deal. Without adequate TESTING and TRACING though we're just making assumptions.

Current thought is that those wearing masks religiously are protecting themselves from a high viral load that they may have otherwise been exposed to. Maybe you are in contact with someone asymptomatic, but through both masks only a minute number wind up in your lungs. That gives your body enough time to build a defense, and it's that time that is critical. If this theory is correct, we need to keep on doing what we're doing.

Most of the video is a compilation of many scientists' work. Since you didn't watch the whole thing, what can I say? Just go with the "current thought". I do suggest you watch the whole thing. But if it does not fit your particular narrative, skip it.

It didn't fit what I thought either, but it brought up many points I had not seen discussed before.

 

[SharonT]

Most of the video is a compilation of many scientists' work. Since you didn't watch the whole thing, what can I say? Just go with the "current thought". I do suggest you watch the whole thing. But if it does not fit your particular narrative, skip it.

It didn't fit what I thought either, but it brought up many points I had not seen discussed before.

I had never heard of the guy, so when I googled him, I got this:

Ivor Cummins

completed a Chemical Engineering degree at UCD in 1990. He has since spent over 25 years in corporate technical leadership and management positions and was shortlisted in 2015 as one of the top 6 of 500 applicants for “Irish Chartered Engineer of the Year”.

My position/reaction has nothing to do with the topic or politics, and everything to do with being able to read that this is a career corporate consultant who makes his living getting his name and voice out there and sounding all experty. A google search shows he jumps on bandwagons (keto, etc) and profits by going viral (his many regurgitated articles at various links = spam.) That alone is enough for me to say no thanks.

Edit: "Initial dose and subsequent severity" was the phrase I was looking for.

This is one study, which includes links to many more. It includes historical context (Spanish Flu) and the current impact on health care workers. It may have been linked before in this thread.

SARS-CoV-2 viral load and the severity of COVID-19 - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

The relationship of viral load and severity of the disease in SARs, SARs-CoV-2 and Influenza, and a summary of the sources on healthcare workers mortality.

www.cebm.net

 

[St. Widge]

If? It’s already happening my friend. Why is ever life sacred only when it comes to adult COVID deaths?

You have any peer reviewed (or not peer reviewed) studies showing an uptick in teen suicides or mental illness since COVID restrictions were put into effect?

Lots of kids lives were thrown into upheaval and sports seasons were lost from Katrina and ever other major hurricane and I'm not aware of any evidence that that caused an uptick in teen suicides or mental health issues. But, if you have such studies about COVID, hurricanes, or similar events, I would like to see them.

 

[DaveXA]

You have any peer reviewed (or not peer reviewed) studies showing an uptick in teen suicides or mental illness since COVID restrictions were put into effect?

Lots of kids lives were thrown into upheaval and sports seasons were lost from Katrina and ever other major hurricane and I'm not aware of any evidence that that caused an uptick in teen suicides or mental health issues. But, if you have such studies about COVID, hurricanes, or similar events, I would like to see them.

Yeah, the the suicide and mental health issues are simply an unsourced talking point that I'm no longer buying. There's no doubt that kids have it tougher. But overall, they're more resilient than we give them credit for and a lot of them already had issues before covid came around.

Life is hard. And 2020 is no exception. Sure, tougher than other years, but we find a way to get through it. Covid is still a legitimate threat to the health of millions of people. How we respond can make a difference in those millions of people.

Lest we forget, while there are 200k dead, there are likely well over a million people who are suffering from the effects of being sick from the virus. There are so many people who are between dying and asymptomatic. And we still don't know what the long term effects are on the bodies of people who have gotten sick and recovered.

Suicide prevention and mental health issues are no doubt important, and i would argue are not being ignored. But we have to adjust not only our expectations, but also the expectations of our children during this time.

 

[Eeyore]

The difference here is that I can remove people. I can't 'silence' my wife (legally), and divorce is expensive (some argue it is worth it).

It is worth it

 

[Taurus]

If having to be home for a few months due to a global pandemic leads a child to suicide they have bigger problems than having to be home for a few months due to a global pandemic.

For every kid flipping out over being stuck at home there's one who's grateful every day not to be bullied at school.

 

[DaveXA]

For every kid flipping out over being stuck at home there's one who's grateful every day not to be bullied at school.

Tbh, at least one of my kids is perfectly fine doing school from home. She's perfectly content with the 2 or 3 friends she's keeping in touch with and just as soon not deal with the ones at school who bug her. We were already pretty much homebodies long before covid, so this really isn't a drastic change for us. There are other obvious unique circumstances, but for the most part, we've adjusted.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

You have any peer reviewed (or not peer reviewed) studies showing an uptick in teen suicides or mental illness since COVID restrictions were put into effect?

Lots of kids lives were thrown into upheaval and sports seasons were lost from Katrina and ever other major hurricane and I'm not aware of any evidence that that caused an uptick in teen suicides or mental health issues. But, if you have such studies about COVID, hurricanes, or similar events, I would like to see them.

Kids still stay connected socially way more than they did in 2005
And like the poster implied a few posts back, the introverts and picked on kids consider this at least a push

 

[St. Widge]

Kids still stay connected socially way more than they did in 2005
And like the poster implied a few posts back, the introverts and picked on kids consider this at least a push

Yep. My daughter has been doing distance learning since March and she is doing fine. They have club meetings by zoom or Discord, they have classes by zoom, do group projects by zoom or Discord, and she and her friends talk to each other almost constantly either on zoom, Discord, text, or facetime. Obviously it's not perfect, but a lot of these kids are resilient and many of them are actually communicating with their families and talking things out more than they could have when life was normal and much more hectic.

 

[guidomerkinsrules]

Yep. My daughter has been doing distance learning since March and she is doing fine. They have club meetings by zoom or Discord, they have classes by zoom, do group projects by zoom or Discord, and she and her friends talk to each other almost constantly either on zoom, Discord, text, or facetime. Obviously it's not perfect, but a lot of these kids are resilient and many of them are actually communicating with their families and talking things out more than they could have when life was normal and much more hectic.

And just watch what quarantine does to unwanted teen pregnancies and stds

 

[Dan in Lafayette]

I had never heard of the guy, so when I googled him, I got this:



My position/reaction has nothing to do with the topic or politics, and everything to do with being able to read that this is a career corporate consultant who makes his living getting his name and voice out there and sounding all experty. A google search shows he jumps on bandwagons (keto, etc) and profits by going viral (his many regurgitated articles at various links = spam.) That alone is enough for me to say no thanks.

Edit: "Initial dose and subsequent severity" was the phrase I was looking for.

This is one study, which includes links to many more. It includes historical context (Spanish Flu) and the current impact on health care workers. It may have been linked before in this thread.

SARS-CoV-2 viral load and the severity of COVID-19 - The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

The relationship of viral load and severity of the disease in SARs, SARs-CoV-2 and Influenza, and a summary of the sources on healthcare workers mortality.

www.cebm.net

Did you ever watch the whole video and check out all of the different scientists from which he compiled this video? You don't have to be an epidemiologist to synthesize numerous works by others whose studies are mostly statistical. He is a scientist as am I. I understood what he was compiling from numerous other scientists and found it interesting.

 

[EGLSShin]

Not having classes being conducted over Discord is a huge disservice to kids. If your kids are gaming online, there is a high chance they know about discord and use discord and are very familiar with discord. The teachers can literally stream the class over discord where only those in the class discord can see the stream. Discord upped the viewing cap from 10 to 50 during the covid-19 pandemic. Just a huge misstep using zoom, IMO.

 

[St. Widge]

Not having classes being conducted over Discord is a huge disservice to kids. If your kids are gaming online, there is a high chance they know about discord and use discord and are very familiar with discord. The teachers can literally stream the class over discord where only those in the class discord can see the stream. Discord upped the viewing cap from 10 to 50 during the covid-19 pandemic. Just a huge misstep using zoom, IMO.

I don't disagree that Discord works well. But so does Zoom and it's not like kids can't figure out new technology. Discord's issue is that is it seen as a gaming app. But, they are trying to rebrand to capture some of the Zoom, WebEx, and Microsoft Teams business.