Saints Looks like Saints will be without Thomas and Sanders [Covid List] on Sunday... (2 Viewers)

[Saint Spud]

It also bespeaks the lack of confidence in your own hot air that you're spewing about the current receivers being adequate and drafting centers over star wideouts being tremendous front office moves.

If you can't stand by your own hogwash no one else should either.

Say what you will about me but at least I put my money where my mouth is.

No. You’re creating a straw man argument that adding a WR would’ve automatically won us the Super Bowl. And then demanding people put money on the line against that faulty assumption.

I already admitted that Claypool has shown some nice flashes. You’ve also had “misses” on prospects, which I pointed out in a previous thread that got locked.

Anyway, I already tried bringing this back on topic, so I’ll do it again: Thomas and Callaway returning to practice is great news. Hopefully Sanders is back soon. That will make our WR group more than formidable enough if our defense can round into form.

 

[Grumpy Old Manatee]

Listening to ESPN radio (yeah, I know, mostly background noise to me) and Keyshawn Johnson just said that he has a "sneaky suspicion" that Michael Thomas will be playing on Sunday. Since, Keyshawn is MT's uncle, he is usually very guarded when discussing MT, but the way he stated things makes me think MT told him he's good to go.

 

[TribuneUK]

It also bespeaks the lack of confidence in your own hot air that you're spewing about the current receivers being adequate and drafting centers over star wideouts being tremendous front office moves.

If you can't stand by your own hogwash no one else should either.

Say what you will about me but at least I put my money where my mouth is.

No, that's still just goading. But now you're doing it at a high school level. The only way is up

 

[Saint Spud]

Listening to ESPN radio (yeah, I know, mostly background noise to me) and Keyshawn Johnson just said that he has a "sneaky suspicion" that Michael Thomas will be playing on Sunday. Since, Keyshawn is MT's uncle, he is usually very guarded when discussing MT, but the way he stated things makes me think MT told him he's good to go.

That would be great.

Even at ~70%, he can occupy a lot of Chicago’s defensive focus. As long as he’s not risking re-injury, that would be great.

 

[Outbackjack]

NO Falcons 10

You aren't even in close to being correct.

Forget the simple......you said we'd have no chance Sunday without our 1 and 2, then we go out and perform offensively basically the same as we have all year, and win....

And your new goalpost change is "see me after we don't win the super bowl" since we don't have our WR.

This next bit of info should COMPLETELY END your argument (though I doubt it will)

Super Bowl Champs (and their leading WR)

2019 Chiefs- Tyreke Hill (52nd ranked in catches, 37th in yards)
2018 Pats - Edelman (28th catches /27th yards)
2017 Eagles- Agholar (37th/30)

The truth is highly successful receivers typically aren't on the winningest football teams.
Games are won by defense, play in the trenches, smart QB, special teams......and honestly WR play would be one of the lowest factors.

In fact, strong TE play rates much higher than WR play for each of those champions.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

NO Falcons 10

You aren't even in close to being correct.

Forget the simple......you said we'd have no chance Sunday without our 1 and 2, then we go out and perform offensively basically the same as we have all year, and win....

And your new goalpost change is "see me after we don't win the super bowl" since we don't have our WR.

This next bit of info should COMPLETELY END your argument (though I doubt it will)

Super Bowl Champs (and their leading WR)

2019 Chiefs- Tyreke Hill (52nd ranked in catches, 37th in yards)
2018 Pats - Edelman (28th catches /27th yards)
2017 Eagles- Agholar (37th/30)

The truth is highly successful receivers typically aren't on the winningest football teams.
Games are won by defense, play in the trenches, smart QB, special teams......and honestly WR play would be one of the lowest factors.

In fact, strong TE play rates much higher than WR play for each of those champions.

Lol.

10 years of trying the same nonsense and refusal to change course.

2009 was the blueprint but everyone here wants to recreate the wheel with online and balance.

I'm very consistent.

Saints 25-0 record when scoring 40 or more points under Payton, 69-13 when 30 or more

I've been away the past few days but I promised JRich7720 that I would make a thread highlighting his research on just how much offense has meant to the success of this team since Payton has arrived.Since 2006 the Saints are 69-13 in games where they score 30 or more points, including...

saintsreport.com

Ask EJW and guys like Bclemms. I've been singing the same tune for 10 years here.

The saints are 5-2 in the playoffs since 06' when scoring over 30.

3-5 when scoring less.

It is what it is.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

NO Falcons 10

You aren't even in close to being correct.

Forget the simple......you said we'd have no chance Sunday without our 1 and 2, then we go out and perform offensively basically the same as we have all year, and win....

And your new goalpost change is "see me after we don't win the super bowl" since we don't have our WR.

This next bit of info should COMPLETELY END your argument (though I doubt it will)

Super Bowl Champs (and their leading WR)

2019 Chiefs- Tyreke Hill (52nd ranked in catches, 37th in yards)
2018 Pats - Edelman (28th catches /27th yards)
2017 Eagles- Agholar (37th/30)

The truth is highly successful receivers typically aren't on the winningest football teams.
Games are won by defense, play in the trenches, smart QB, special teams......and honestly WR play would be one of the lowest factors.

In fact, strong TE play rates much higher than WR play for each of those champions.

Also find where I said they have no chance.

Who's strawmanning who here?

 

[RKNSaint]

Dang, another week without out top receivers.

 

[Consigliere]

When does Sanders get off the Covid Protocol?

 

[Outbackjack]

Lol.

10 years of trying the same nonsense and refusal to change course.

2009 was the blueprint but everyone here wants to recreate the wheel with online and balance.

I'm very consistent.

Saints 25-0 record when scoring 40 or more points under Payton, 69-13 when 30 or more

I've been away the past few days but I promised JRich7720 that I would make a thread highlighting his research on just how much offense has meant to the success of this team since Payton has arrived.Since 2006 the Saints are 69-13 in games where they score 30 or more points, including...

saintsreport.com

Ask EJW and guys like Bclemms. I've been singing the same tune for 10 years here.

The saints are 5-2 in the playoffs since 06' when scoring over 30.

3-5 when scoring less.

It is what it is.

Playoff scoring has more to do with playing top playoff defenses.
Everyone knows that.
That’s why EVERYONE’S playoffs PPG are lower than their regular season.

And the stats prove.....”top” .WR aren’t crucial to Super Bowl success.

 

[sfidc3]

I’m actually more concerned about Armstead returning than either of the receivers. If the Bears only really have to worry about us running and screening to one side (no offense to Hurst but he is not anywhere near as athletic and effective in space) it makes their job a bit easier and us less dynamic....

 

[Saint Spud]

When does Sanders get off the Covid Protocol?

Tough to say for sure. Especially since he was symptomatic.

He definitely won’t play vs Chicago. And since it’s a little unclear how much the Saints have to disclose, we may not know until closer to game time against Tampa.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Playoff scoring has more to do with playing top playoff defenses.
Everyone knows that.
That’s why EVERYONE’S playoffs PPG are lower than their regular season.

And the stats prove.....”top” .WR aren’t crucial to Super Bowl success.

Tell that to Meachem, Colston, Moore, and Henderson's sb rings.

The saints scored 30 vs top defense vs Minnesota, Indy and San Francisco in 2009 and 2011.

They've only managed 30 once since 2011 vs a 15th ranked Carolina D.

Carry on.

 

[Outbackjack]

Tell that to Meachem, Colston, Moore, and Henderson's sb rings.

The saints scored 30 vs top defense vs Minnesota, Indy and San Francisco in 2009 and 2011.

They've only managed 30 once since 2011 vs a 15th ranked Carolina D.

Carry on.

Um, I hate to keep proving you wrong......but your “tell that to Colston, Meachem, Henderson”.......

In 2009, Colston (27th ranked WR),Devery (63rd) and Meachem (87th).

IT’S NOT TOP WR that win Super Bowls.....including 2009.

Teams score points. QB, OL, RB, TE, OC game plan and play calls....and receiver is down the list.

Not sure how you can argue the importance of WR to winning a Super Bowl, when year after year after year the numbers show the opposite.
Including 2009.

Welker, SSmith, Andre Johnson, Marshall....there’s your top 4 in 2009. None made the big game.

 

[NOFALCONS10]

Um, I hate to keep proving you wrong......but your “tell that to Colston, Meachem, Henderson”.......

In 2009, Colston (27th ranked WR),Devery (63rd) and Meachem (87th).

IT’S NOT TOP WR that win Super Bowls.....including 2009.

Teams score points. QB, OL, RB, TE, OC game plan and play calls....and receiver is down the list.

Not sure how you can argue the importance of WR to winning a Super Bowl, when year after year after year the numbers show the opposite.
Including 2009.

Welker, SSmith, Andre Johnson, Marshall....there’s your top 4 in 2009. None made the big game.

You keep bringing up other teams with other coach-QB combos.

2009 is all that matters as far as Brees and Payton are concerned because they've never done better with this team.

Yards? The 2009 wrs scored 22 TDs in only 14 games of competitive play.

This teams wrs have what? 5 in 6 games?

Comparing these wrs to 2009 must be your idea of a Halloween joke, right?