Are you willing to get the Covid vaccine when offered? (2 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

I think it is a very good idea to get the second shot, even if you had Covid. The side effects might not be fun, so maybe get the shot on a Thursday and take Friday off to give you the weekend to recover.

Sort of like a vasectomy.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I posted a few pages back but no response. I need convincing on this second shot....with science not opinion. I'm not anti vax by any means. I'm also pro mask etc etc. The problem I have is I had covid and got the first shot. Sick as a dog. Tells me my antibody response is very strong. That first shot was basically my booster. I see no reason behind 2 boosters. I was pretty sick.....I don't want to go through that again without solid scientific reasoning. The problem is this virus and studies are new so it's tough to find any real studies done that show the reasoning behind 2 boosters. I've saw the " 2 shots give you better variant protection" stuff but what I haven't seen is scientific proof or studies that focused on people that had had the virus prior to the first shot. I don't necessarily want to decline the 2nd shot but I also see no reasoning for it and I was really sick after the first.

Well, according to Mt. Sinai and France, you probably don't need the second booster since you had covid. However, the CDC isn't updating guidance any time soon, so they still recommend both.

If you have a primary Dr., run it by them. But it seems like dose 2 isn't a big deal for those who had covid, since the first shot gives a massive antibody response compared to non-infected getting their first shot. I'm not sure if they normalized against how severely folks had it. These were mostly medical workers, so they likely all got it bad.

Are Vaccine Doses Being Wasted on Those Previously Infected with COVID-19?

Studies suggest only one dose may be required.

www.ny1.com

Researchers at Mount Sinai Icahn School of Medicine were among the first to release their findings from a National Institutes of Health (NIH)-supported study, which followed a group of high risk healthcare workers; about a third of them were COVID-19 survivors.

“What we saw was that in people who had COVID, the antibody reaction to the first shot is very, very strong,” Dr. Ania Wajnberg, who is part of the team working on the study, told Spectrum News. “Similar to the second shot in people who have not had COVID.”

Dr. Francis Collins, the Director of the NIH, wrote about the findings in a blog post: “If other studies support these results, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration might decide to consider whether one dose is enough for people who’ve had a prior COVID-19 infection.”

Health officials in France have already updated their guidance to recommend that people who have had COVID-19 should receive one dose of the two-shot vaccines, such as the ones from Moderna, Pfizer-BioNTech, and AstraZeneca.

Dr. Mohammed Sajadi, an associate professor of medicine at the University of Maryland’s Institute of Human Virology, penned a similar study that was published in The Journal of the American Medical Association. “For people who've had COVID before and then get vaccinated, we're actually seeing very high titers [concentration of antibodies in the blood] within a week or so. Even after a couple of days, the body just starts making a lot of antibodies because it remembers seeing the virus before.”

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More and more institutions are releasing their findings: Researchers at UNC Chapel Hill, University College London, the NYU Langone Vaccine Center, and the University of Washington have all conducted similar studies -- and saw similar results.

There’s no difference between the two doses, which means a second dose slotted for an individual who was previously infected could be redirected to someone else for their first or second dose.

“We've had 30 million documented cases here, so potentially it would be the difference of millions of second doses,” said Dr. Wajnberg. “That's why we wanted to get this out there quickly, because this is an urgent and timely decision.”

While the data suggests there is little benefit of a second shot of the mRNA vaccine to those previously infected with COVID-19, more research is still needed.

Each person infected with coronavirus has a different immune response, and Dr. Wajnberg says confirming that a person has antibodies could overcomplicate vaccine distribution efforts.

“We don't know yet what the magical number or level is, of antibodies that will protect us,” she added. “I think science is learning more and more about that every day.”

But what is clear from this research, Dr. Sajadi says, is that nearly everyone who was once infected retains some immune memory of the disease, which may be enough.

“The neutralizing antibody for the people who previously had COVID, after the two weeks, it was five hundred times greater than those who didn't have COVID and got the first dose,” he added. “With those kinds of differences, I mean, yeah, we could test it in 500,000 or whatever more people. I don't think that that part is going to change.”

 

[0rion]

I think it is a very good idea to get the second shot, even if you had Covid. The side effects might not be fun, so maybe get the shot on a Thursday and take Friday off to give you the weekend to recover.

I'm scheduled for thur the 22nd. I'll just be sick Friday and back in action Saturday. With my first shot I stayed in bed the whole time.

 

[0rion]

The booster may also relate to how long your protection lasts. This also is unknown at this point but it stands to reason.

I had considered that but also wondered just what could I be gaining at this point? It sounds like 6-8 months is about all anyone is willing to go on record with as far as protection. We'll all be due up for shots again before you know it.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I had considered that but also wondered just what could I be gaining at this point? It sounds like 6-8 months is about all anyone is willing to go on record with as far as protection. We'll all be due up for shots again before you know it.

The time frame of protection is only because that's about the longest anyone has had the vaccine (from the trials, probably phase 3). General population is only on month 3 at the earliest..

And BTW, it's ok, I think anyone reasonable will see you're not being weird about this, you asked a very valid scientific question. And it's a question people are working on, mostly to minimize supply impact.

 

[superchuck500]

I had considered that but also wondered just what could I be gaining at this point? It sounds like 6-8 months is about all anyone is willing to go on record with as far as protection. We'll all be due up for shots again before you know it.

When I read those comments about expected duration (or more often media interpretations of that), what I see is information based on what we know - and right now, nobody has been vaccinated for that long because even the earliest trials were last fall.

So all we can say is right now, it appears the protections last six to eight months, BUT that doesn't mean that's all it lasts, that's just how long we know it lasts based on current information. It will be interesting to see but it's quite likely that in the fall, we will see those estimates raised . . . or perhaps we will indeed see the antibody counts begin to fall off and that will be our answer on duration.

But I have seen researchers speculate that the protection could last several years.

 

[superchuck500]

Anybody live in Arizona?

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[J-Donk]

Well, according to Mt. Sinai and France, you probably don't need the second booster since you had covid. However, the CDC isn't updating guidance any time soon, so they still recommend both.

If you have a primary Dr., run it by them. But it seems like dose 2 isn't a big deal for those who had covid, since the first shot gives a massive antibody response compared to non-infected getting their first shot. I'm not sure if they normalized against how severely folks had it. These were mostly medical workers, so they likely all got it bad.

Are Vaccine Doses Being Wasted on Those Previously Infected with COVID-19?

Studies suggest only one dose may be required.

www.ny1.com

Israel only gives 1 dose of pfizer to anyone who had covid as well.

 

[faceman]

I had considered that but also wondered just what could I be gaining at this point? It sounds like 6-8 months is about all anyone is willing to go on record with as far as protection. We'll all be due up for shots again before you know it.

We are still learning at this point. I've read articles that said the shot offers lifetime protection and others that said it may require a yearly vaccination like the flu shot. We just don't know yet.

 

[Saint_Ward]

We are still learning at this point. I've read articles that said the shot offers lifetime protection and others that said it may require a yearly vaccination like the flu shot. We just don't know yet.

The yearly flu shot point had more to do with keeping up with variants, I believe. Not necessarily longevity of protection.

 

[Zack Lee]

There should be a way to just set the chips to update at midnight after new security updates eventually.

 

[saintmdterps]

Cherry picking, but learned this lesson the hard way. I bought an 82 Camaro . It was the first of the model changes. I had it for three months with 4000 miles on it, It broke down on New years eve the same year. This was before cell phones were invented. I had to walk 6 miles in 35 degree weather and rain to get to the next pay phone . My dad came and picked me up. The computer module that controlled the engines gas and air control died. I would not wish this on my worst enemy.

Sometimes the later years suck too. While in college in the mid 80's I had a 1976 Fiat X 1/9...

 

[saintmdterps]

I posted a few pages back but no response. I need convincing on this second shot....with science not opinion. I'm not anti vax by any means. I'm also pro mask etc etc. The problem I have is I had covid and got the first shot. Sick as a dog. Tells me my antibody response is very strong. That first shot was basically my booster. I see no reason behind 2 boosters. I was pretty sick.....I don't want to go through that again without solid scientific reasoning. The problem is this virus and studies are new so it's tough to find any real studies done that show the reasoning behind 2 boosters. I've saw the " 2 shots give you better variant protection" stuff but what I haven't seen is scientific proof or studies that focused on people that had had the virus prior to the first shot. I don't necessarily want to decline the 2nd shot but I also see no reasoning for it and I was really sick after the first.

My wife got the first Moderna shot and got very sick. Her primary said not to bother with the second shot as her antibody response was so high.

 

[Mr. Blue Sky]

Sometimes the later years suck too. While in college in the mid 80's I had a 1976 Fiat X 1/9...

Not to derail the thread, but my very first car- while not a Camaro like faceman’s- was in the same ‘family’ of vehicles.. it was a 1978 Pontiac Firebird Formula, with the bird on the hood and everything.. it would have been an amazing car to have when new, and an even more amazing car to have now, if restored.. but when i had it, in the early 1990s- it was a piece of *** on wheels, a rolling rust bucket... BUT it was fast as all get out.. and , in a stroke of pure genius (sarcasm)- my dad disconnected the speedometer so as not to put mileage on the odometer (great lesson to teach your kids lol)- so i had this old car with a beast of an engine, and i would drive all over town and across the Causeway all the time with NO idea how fast i was going... Good times indeed.

 

[sammymvpknight]

Nurses are some very knowledgeable people. but honestly, if a doctor tells you should get it, but a nurse tells you no, don't get it, personally, I will take the advice of the doctor.
One of my wife's good friend is a nurse and she "knows" everything. I couldn't tell you how many times I've heard "oh, I wouldn't worry about that just because the doctor said xxx..there are years of extra learning that goes into being a doctor that a nurse doesn't have.

I find the fact that such a high percentage of nursing being antivaxers fascinating. I've never seen a good explanation. Physicians pretty much overwhelmingly support vaccination.

If you want someone to watch over you while you are in the hospital...get a nurse. But if you need a diagnosis or pretty much anything else related to the field of medicine, trust doctors. Doctors are in school on average 2-3 times longer than nurses. It is challenging to get into medical school...substantially more difficult than nursing school. Doctors are also much more likely to be well rounded in medicine, as medical school involves a variety of subspecialities and it's pretty grueling. There also a requirement to understand and participate in research to get through residency, which is typically not a significant requirement of nursing school. Physicians have no other choice to be scientists because it is required of them to practice...constantly being tested on updated medical literature in their field. And for that reason, physicians generally can understand and decipher medical literature, even if it's outside their field of expertise. Not to mention that many physicians had to be involved in research even BEFORE MEDICAL TRAINING in order to be competitive for either medical school or residency.

This is not 100%. I've known some incredible clinicians and researchers who are nursing (typically nurse practitioners and clinical nurse specialists)...and I've also known some pretty useless physicians. But I'm talking about a bell shaped curve here.

When I read those comments about expected duration (or more often media interpretations of that), what I see is information based on what we know - and right now, nobody has been vaccinated for that long because even the earliest trials were last fall.

So all we can say is right now, it appears the protections last six to eight months, BUT that doesn't mean that's all it lasts, that's just how long we know it lasts based on current information. It will be interesting to see but it's quite likely that in the fall, we will see those estimates raised . . . or perhaps we will indeed see the antibody counts begin to fall off and that will be our answer on duration.

But I have seen researchers speculate that the protection could last several years.

There's also typically partial immunity after vaccinations. So like the flu vaccine, even if it's not very effective it still has some level of protect. When COVID has small mutations, there's no reason to believe that the vaccine will have NO effect. I wouldn't worry about long term efficacy. By the summer we should have herd immunity at that point and the number of cases will be low enough that our healthcare structure will be fine to accommodate it. The number will likely never be zero, but that's ok.