Mass shooting in Buffalo NY. (1 Viewer)

[DaveXA]

I think it is quite reasonable to assume that these young adult males with deficient social skills who have been radicalised by the internet will…. *checks notes* … start enriching uranium as a substitute for the firearms that they can no longer easily access.

Pressure cookers or some pipe. Barrels of fertilizer. I mean, it's really not that hard. Molotov cocktails can do some damage too.

 

[First Time Poster]

Sure, it was a somewhat tongue in cheek comment, but they are at minimum loco. I'm less worried about legal definitions and more concerned with the practical.

The issue with dismissing this as "crazy" Dave is that it is now common to associate these acts of terrorism, by white supremacists, as "crazy" as a way to diminish this threat as a "one-off." The now popular lone-wolf. These aren't acts of isolation. It's a pattern.

This terrorist and supremacist was no more crazy than Hitler was crazy. They speak with clarity, intent, conviction and confidence. He wasn't insane and what he is indoctrinationated into it and preaching is dangerous. It's not crazy, it's commonplace. Eventually, America will have to own its white supremacy problem. But, trying to pass this off as fringe behavior, or shaming it back to irrelevance, those days are done. It has to be confronted as the mainstream behavior it is. White America doesn't like hearing that but yall don't have to live under its oppression constantly, so tough.

For the record, my friend, I know this isn't your position, and I understand the point you are making. But, as always, if I see an opportunity to give perspective, I will.

 

[DaveXA]

The issue with dismissing this as "crazy" Dave is that it is now common to associate these acts of terrorism, by white supremacists, as "crazy" as a way to diminish this threat as a "one-off." The now popular lone-wolf. These aren't acts of isolation. It's a pattern.

This terrorist and supremacist was no more crazy than Hitler was crazy. They speak with clarity, intent, conviction and confidence. He wasn't insane and what he is indoctrinationated into it and preaching is dangerous. It's not crazy, it's commonplace. Eventually, America will have to own its white supremacy problem. But, trying to pass this off as fringe behavior, or shaming it back to irrelevance, those days are done. It has to be confronted as the mainstream behavior it is. White America doesn't like hearing that but yall don't have to live under its oppression constantly, so tough.

For the record, my friend, I know this isn't your position, and I understand the point you are making. But, as always, if I see an opportunity to give perspective, I will.

That makes sense. I appreciate the perspective as always and value your thoughts.

I guess my tendency is to want the white supremacy worldview to be something that is unacceptable and "crazy" as an apt descriptor. I would say just because it's commonplace doesn't mean it's not crazy. At least that was what I was thinking. It certainly should be dealt with. There certainly is too much of it, particularly in law enforcement.

I do want to be part of the solution to the problem of racism as much as I possibly can, but sometimes I feel like I'm a passenger on this journey.

 

[EGLSShin]

I gotta be honest, reading some of that manifesto, it just seems way too trolly to me, it's a bit too perfect when you think about the racist, neckbeard, edgelord stereotype who has been on the internet a little too long. If you're going to the /pol/ board on 4chan and taking that as the gospel, to the point you act out in real life based on it, you're so far gone that you haven't even been existing in reality for quite some time. That part of 4chan is littered with trolling, edgelord posting(including racist stuff), conspiracy theories. That board is about 20 years old at this point, going back to like 2003.

The feds monitor those boards, they have for years now. People who used to moderate various boards have confirmed as such.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

Sure, it was a somewhat tongue in cheek comment, but they are at minimum loco. I'm less worried about legal definitions and more concerned with the practical.

Practically speaking, meaning clinically, I don't think he is insane, either. He made decisions, just awful ones.

 

[Boy_of_wonder75]

I do want to be part of the solution to the problem of racism as much as I possibly can, but sometimes I feel like I'm a passenger on this journey.

If you want to do something about it, call it out whenever you see it and ostracize those who espouse the beliefs. Give no quarter to those who even lean that way. Social pressure can work wonders from time to time.

 

[DaveXA]

If you want to do something about it, call it out whenever you see it and ostracize those who espouse the beliefs. Give no quarter to those who even lean that way. Social pressure can work wonders from time to time.

Pretty much. A few of my family members don't like me for that reason, lol. Ultimately, I don't talk with them much these days.

 

[LAhotsauce]

I gotta be honest, reading some of that manifesto, it just seems way too trolly to me, it's a bit too perfect when you think about the racist, neckbeard, edgelord stereotype who has been on the internet a little too long. If you're going to the /pol/ board on 4chan and taking that as the gospel, to the point you act out in real life based on it, you're so far gone that you haven't even been existing in reality for quite some time. That part of 4chan is littered with trolling, edgelord posting(including racist stuff), conspiracy theories. That board is about 20 years old at this point, going back to like 2003.

The feds monitor those boards, they have for years now. People who used to moderate various boards have confirmed as such.

The KKK (the 4chan of 1865) started off as just trolling. Their outfit was literally made to look like a ghost to go scare black people. No lie.

People carry forward things posted on 4chan in real life all the time. It may not result in 10 people dead. It just results in qualified african americans not getting the bank loan they deserve, or job, or money to start a business.

 

[Eeyore]

The feds monitor those boards, they have for years now. People who used to moderate various boards have confirmed as such.

And yet they didn't prevent it despite the offender posting dates, times, and locations.

 

[saintmdterps]

Shooter apparently broadcast on Twitch.

10 confirmed dead.

Self proclaimed white supremacist that had a manifesto.

So effn tragic.


Lots of info here

To call the incident a mass shooting is to over-dignify it. This was terrorism and nothing else. The shooter should be prosecuted as a terrorist.

 

[WhoDatPhan78]

Pressure cookers or some pipe. Barrels of fertilizer. I mean, it's really not that hard. Molotov cocktails can do some damage too.

Yes, but there is a reason they usually choose guns.

It is way easier than making a bomb. It's not exactly easy to acquire enough fertilizer to create a bomb big enough to do massive damage without getting caught.

Molotov cocktails wouldn't kill as many people as a guy with a gun walking into a grocery store or a mall.


I just want to add that anyone (not talking about you, Dave) who cares that white people are being replaced is a bad person. Even if they aren't willing to kill over that belief. Just caring about it makes you a bad person. Anyone who even tries to argue that it is true is a bad person, that isn't something we should care enough to even discuss.

 

[Sailorsaint]

I'm 57 yrs old. Been around and owned guns my entire life. I've never once pointed a gun at another person. Taking away guns doesn't take away the violent hatred embedded in some portions of society. If there were zero guns owned legally in the US, then there would be millions of guns owned illegally in the US. You will never, never, be able to rid the US of gun ownership. The problem is the people. The solution is beyond our grasp. We know what the solution is, but how do you get to that point? If we survive for another 100 years maybe, just maybe, we will mature as a society. Until then, murderers will figure out a way to murder on a large scale.

 

[Saint_Ward]

Pressure cookers or some pipe. Barrels of fertilizer. I mean, it's really not that hard. Molotov cocktails can do some damage too.

Still takes more effort and far less effective than click, click, boom.

Also, let's use the molotov cocktail example. How many are you gonna carry around, light, and throw at people? How much damage will you do? Deaths v injuries.

More effort = less likely.

Not saying impossible.

 

[DaveXA]

Still takes more effort and far less effective than click, click, boom.

Also, let's use the molotov cocktail example. How many are you gonna carry around, light, and throw at people? How much damage will you do? Deaths v injuries.

More effort = less likely.

Not saying impossible.

I'm not saying that it takes less or equal effort than a gun. There certainly would be fewer overall murders. That said, if a given individual wanted to inflict carnage on a large group of people, he doesn't have to be very smart to pull that off.

That said, I'm not at all opposed to gun restrictions. I've never owned a gun although I've been around them more than a few times. My dad always had multiple guns in our house when I was growing up. Much of my family likes to hunt. I never got comfortable with guns though. And certainly not with my 4 kids in the house. They're all grown now and I've considered buying one for personal protection although haven't done so yet.