[Mega Merged] How long are Dennis and Pete’s leashes? (1 Viewer)

[Joe Horn-et]

Pete Carmichael should be left across the pond.

 

[PHSaint518]

We are now 1-3 and this team has started every game slowly, commits ridiculous penalties regularly and the offense (for the majority) has not looked like an NFL offense. It is clear that Dennis Allen is not good enough to be head coach of the Saints and Loomis needs to fire him once this season is done. This team is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and yet we are playing like a 6 win team. That is on him and if we want to be good again he needs to go quickly.

To add to the above we, somewhat stupidly, traded our 2023 1st because we expected to be a playoff team. We are miles off that and a coaching reset is needed. Our future depends on these things happening this off-season:
1. Sean Payton needs to be traded for, at the minimum, a 1st round pick.
2. Allen and Carmichael need to be fired.

Also, the main word thrown at us during the off-season was “continuity”. The whole point of hiring Allen was to continue winning. He has taken us backwards despite having a better roster. That’s why he needs to go.

 

[HouseCall]

We are now 1-3 and this team has started every game slowly, commits ridiculous penalties regularly and the offense (for the majority) has not looked like an NFL offense. It is clear that Dennis Allen is not good enough to be head coach of the Saints and Loomis needs to fire him once this season is done. This team is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and yet we are playing like a 6 win team. That is on him and if we want to be good again he needs to go quickly.

To add to the above we, somewhat stupidly, traded our 2023 1st because we expected to be a playoff team. We are miles off that and a coaching reset is needed. Our future depends on these things happening this off-season:
1. Sean Payton needs to be traded for, at the minimum, a 1st round pick.
2. Allen and Carmichael need to be fired.

Allen will not be going anywhere for at least a year, possibly 2. They are going to give Allen every opportunity to fix what is wrong. I just can’t see a scenario - even finishing the season 3-14, where Allen is fired.

Carmichael maybe.

 

[jahsoul357]

I don't know but I do know this lies on the foot of coaching. Contrary to current belief, outside of the 1 drive, our first half looked exactly like every other game and we didn't start cooking until halfway through the 3rd going into the 4th, like every other game.

 

[Silly Burrito]

You do realize we were missing:

1. Our starting QB
2. Our starting RB
3. Our starting WR
4. Our starting LG

I'm as frustrated as anyone, but this isn't all DA.

 

[strandedsaint]

Yes, we have some issues....However we showed a lot of character out there today. Overcoming the refs is another story. Pitiful calls........

 

[PHSaint518]

You do realize we were missing:

1. Our starting QB
2. Our starting RB
3. Our starting WR
4. Our starting LG

I'm as frustrated as anyone, but this isn't all DA.

Dalton was better than Winston has been, we still had Olave and Landry out there and the run game was the best it’s been so far.

Anyway, it’s as much the performances and lack of discipline as anything else. We never looked so poorly coached last year with Payton coaching practice squad players.

 

[St.RobE]

Special teams killed us back to back with the Harty fumble and then the fake punt which resulted in two Vikings fgs.

Deonte Harris was a beast. Harty not so much. Seems like he’s regressed.

 

[El Caliente]

You do realize we were missing:

1. Our starting QB
2. Our starting RB
3. Our starting WR
4. Our starting LG

I'm as frustrated as anyone, but this isn't all DA.

I wouldn’t say that we are “missing” our starting quarterback. Dalton looked fine.

 

[PHSaint518]

Allen will not be going anywhere for at least a year, possibly 2. They are going to give Allen every opportunity to fix what is wrong. I just can’t see a scenario - even finishing the season 3-14, where Allen is fired.

Carmichael maybe.

Probably true. The big buzzword of the offeseason though, was “continuity”. This is anything but that, we’re worse despite having a better roster.

 

[PHSaint518]

Because that almost never happens in the NFL and Loomis is more conservative than most.

There was nothing conservative about throwing a likely top 10 draft pick away when we didn’t know how good our QB was.

 

[El Caliente]

Probably true. The big buzzword of the offeseason though, was “continuity”. This is anything but that, we’re worse despite having a better roster.

This team with Sean Payton would be amazing. This team with Dennis and Pete makes for some sad pandas.

 

[CantguardTaysom]

We are now 1-3 and this team has started every game slowly, commits ridiculous penalties regularly and the offense (for the majority) has not looked like an NFL offense. It is clear that Dennis Allen is not good enough to be head coach of the Saints and Loomis needs to fire him once this season is done. This team is loaded with talent on both sides of the ball and yet we are playing like a 6 win team. That is on him and if we want to be good again he needs to go quickly.

To add to the above we, somewhat stupidly, traded our 2023 1st because we expected to be a playoff team. We are miles off that and a coaching reset is needed. Our future depends on these things happening this off-season:
1. Sean Payton needs to be traded for, at the minimum, a 1st round pick.
2. Allen and Carmichael need to be fired.

Also, the main word thrown at us during the off-season was “continuity”. The whole point of hiring Allen was to continue winning. He has taken us backwards despite having a better roster. That’s why he needs to go.

DA is not getting fired. We are going to be upset for a while.

 

[El Caliente]

Pete Carmichael should be left across the pond.

All of the coaching staff should. Make them swim back, or give them a pirogue, a single ore, and tell them good luck getting home.

 

[NS_Saint]

I think some fans are struggling with the reality of post-Brees New Orleans Saints football. It may have been naive to think there wouldn't be some hardship trying to find the next guy to step in as the franchise QB and also coming to terms with the fact that they're going to need to mold a new identity, not hold on to past ones.

I think it is way too early to move on from Dennis Allen after 4 games, 3 of which were back to back to back division opponents which are always brutal. Maybe bringing Pete back to run the offense was a bad idea, maybe not. I think with the personnel we have right now, it makes more sense to be a little more simplistic and lean towards being a power run, play action type team than what looks to me like running the same stuff Sean and Drew ran when they were here. Most QBs can't run an offense as flawlessly as Drew did for so many years... most aren't hall-of-famers and will do some things well but mediocre or below average at other things