I’m inclined to think the Saints would ideally like to leave this draft w/ Bowers (3 Viewers)

[RiverRat]

I think we take Bowers if he is there and then trade back into the 1st for a tackle. Total meltdown imminent

 

[webster]

Have loved Bowers since he was a freshman. I just don't think he'll be there for us, sadly.

If he is there, Saints have to get him.

 

[saint_drago]

I was initially a huge fan of Penix but the injury history, lack of pocket mobility, lack of off schedule throws, and some issues with accuracy on short and intermediate routes has made me less confident he will make it in the NFL. I'm also not sure he is a great fit for the Shanahan system and I think his ceiling is Derek Carr.

However, if the Saints feel he is a franchise QB (and they know better than me) then I'm fine with them taking him at #14 or #45 and I would be excited to see if he can develop. But I would be more excited if they took McCarthy or Daniels.

I don't want Penix in the 1st. I don't even want him in the 2nd. So I'm not banging the drum for Penix or anything but the dude can flat out throw a football. All of the knocks against him are valid but his arm is a thing of beauty. He's kind of a unique prospect in that for one offense he's a perfect fit but for another offense he's not a viable option. He's going to need big time pass protection and playmakers with deep speed.

 

[TribuneUK]

I don't want Penix in the 1st. I don't even want even want him in the 2nd. So I'm not banging the drum for Penix or anything but the dude can flat out throw a football. All of the knocks against him are valid but his arm is a thing of beauty. He's kind of a unique prospect in that for one offense he's a perfect fit but for another offense he's not a viable option. He's going to need big time pass protection and playmakers with deep speed.

I'm sure I've heard about rocket-armed passers with all the physical attributes, but marred by spotty accuracy in the short and intermediate game, who turned out not to be long term (or even medium term) starters in the league. A team unable to find a top tier QB either through draft order or simple lack of better options, might convince itself that it can refine the QB's game with time.

A tale as old as time. Not often one with a happy ending.

Jake Locker is my poster boy for this kind of pick. Good mobility, strong arm, poor accuracy. Drafted eighth overall, 4 unimpressive seasons in the NFL.

Of course, Josh Allen's accuracy was apparently a question mark too, before he developed into a deadly offensive lynchpin for the Bills. But is he the exception more than the rule? I think time and experience of many failed, although physically-gifted, passers generally suggest he's an exception.

 

[saint_drago]

I'm sure I've heard about rocket-armed passers with all the physical attributes, but marred by spotty accuracy in the short and intermediate game, who turned out not to be long term (or even medium term) starters in the league. A team unable to find a top tier QB either through draft order or simple lack of better options, might convince itself that it can refine the QB's game with time.

A tale as old as time. Not often one with a happy ending.

Jake Locker is my poster boy for this kind of pick. Good mobility, strong arm, poor accuracy. Drafted eighth overall, 4 unimpressive seasons in the NFL.

Of course, Josh Allen's accuracy was apparently a question mark too, before he developed into a deadly offensive lynchpin for the Bills. But is he the exception more than the rule? I think time and experience of many failed, although physically-gifted, passers generally suggest he's an exception.

Yep. NFL history is filled with failed experiments with rocket arm QBs. Sometimes teams have been able to coach em up for a few years and it works out. If Penix needs years to develop then he could be ready to rock in his 30s.

But I can't help but wonder if Penix could be legit in a modern vertical type offense. Maybe he could do alright with the Dolphins or an offense like the Texans ran with Watson. If he could just add a little touch on the short stuff. Throw in a pinch of accuracy and boom, dude is a handful.

It will be interesting to watch his career because some team is going to convince themselves that the juice is worth the squeeze. They'll convince themselves that they can coach him up and he'll be a viable starter. Might work, who knows. All I know is that the Saints need to let someone else try that experiment.*

(*Opinion subject to change in the event that the Saints draft him in the 2nd round. If the Saints draft him then he's an amazing prospect who just needs a little polish. Steal of the draft)

 

[bobad]

If Bowers is there at 14, I think the Saints take him. They may even try to trade a couple of our lower draft choices to move up 1-2 places to get him. In the end, I don't think we get him.

 

[Tulsa Saint]

Personally i am warming up to trading back with JAC/LAR for 17/19 and a late day 2 pick like 83 or 99.

You can draft Latham or Fautanu there then use 45 and the late pick on a WR/DL. Imagine:

19: Latham/Fautanu
45: Legette or Pearsall
83/99: T'Vondre Sweat(assuming DWI knocks him a round)

Outside of EDGE(there are some nice ones like Kamara/Hunt/Ceaser/Jackson etc. day 3) and maybe nickel(plentiful this day 3) you're golden.

It just makes too much sense this draft.

 

[RaginCajun83]

Personally i am warming up to trading back with JAC/LAR for 17/19 and a late day 2 pick like 83 or 99.

You can draft Latham or Fautanu there then use 45 and the late pick on a WR/DL. Imagine:

19: Latham/Fautanu
45: Legette or Pearsall
83/99: T'Vondre Sweat(assuming DWI knocks him a round)

Outside of EDGE(there are some nice ones like Kamara/Hunt/Ceaser/Jackson etc. day 3) and maybe nickel(plentiful this day 3) you're golden.

It just makes too much sense this draft.

Sounds great, to bad Saints haven’t traded down in forever

 

[Infoman]

My crystal ball says... we trade up to 12 with Denver to get Bowers (Thanks Sean) for a future 2nd (maybe a late rounder this year too) and get back future 4th round pick also (Sean takes Bo Nix at 14).... Then we use 1 or 2 of our 5th rounders to trade up from 45 to the 34-38 range in round 2 for a guy like Guyton, Paul, or Morgan.... who becomes a day 1 starter at RT, and 10 year fixture to takeover for Ram.

Saints come away with a starting RT, and a George Kittle clone...

 

[TribuneUK]

My crystal ball says... we trade up to 12 with Denver to get Bowers (Thanks Sean) for a future 2nd (maybe a late rounder this year too) and get back future 4th round pick also (Sean takes Bo Nix at 14).... Then we use 1 or 2 of our 5th rounders to trade up from 45 to the 34-38 range in round 2 for a guy like Guyton, Paul, or Morgan.... who becomes a day 1 starter at RT, and 10 year fixture to takeover for Ram.

Saints comes away with a starting RT, and a George Kittle clone...

Our best two fifths move you up from 45 to 40. Anything higher than that is, sadly, wishful thinking.

Of course, if someone you like falls, you make the calls anyway and if they get down to 40 your chance of success goes way up.

 

[Infoman]

Our best two fifths move you up from 45 to 40. Anything higher than that is, sadly, wishful thinking.

Of course, if someone you like falls, you make the calls anyway and if they get down to 40 your chance of success goes way up.

Maybe, maybe not... maybe future pick swaps... maybe a 6th for a 7th... happens every year.... point is... there are going to be about 5 OTs available from 32-45 that in most other years would have a mid-late 1st round grade... It should be fairly easy for us to get one in that range... while not reaching for one at 14, and taking the BPA... or trading up if it's reasonable.... to get your future star and cornerstone blue chip player (Bowers, Rome, Alt, Turner, etc)

And in my initial list... I didn't even mention OTs like Suamataia, Rosengarten, and Mims... This draft is littered with OTs that can be starting caliber year 1 guys at LT or RT. This is not the year to need pick for one at 14....

In fact there is so much talent at OT, I'd prefer (and I can't believe I am saying this) to trade back a few spots and pick up a 3rd... then use it and some 5ths to trade back up later.... but we never do that in the 1st.... and I want a sure fire stud this year... and that's only available a few picks ahead of us more than likely. (Good thing we won that ATL game to end the season!)

 

[Kegger]

My crystal ball says... we trade up to 12 with Denver to get Bowers (Thanks Sean) for a future 2nd (maybe a late rounder this year too) and get back future 4th round pick also (Sean takes Bo Nix at 14).... Then we use 1 or 2 of our 5th rounders to trade up from 45 to the 34-38 range in round 2 for a guy like Guyton, Paul, or Morgan.... who becomes a day 1 starter at RT, and 10 year fixture to takeover for Ram.

Saints come away with a starting RT, and a George Kittle clone...

I think we'd have to jump ahead of the Jets to get Bowers. Trade to #9 with CHI for our #14, 2025 2nd rounder and one or two of our 5ths this year

 

[Saint Greg]

I think we take Bowers if he is there and then trade back into the 1st for a tackle. Total meltdown imminent

That likely means giving up next year's 1st so yeah. Definite meltdown.

 

[St. Widge]

I think we'd have to jump ahead of the Jets to get Bowers. Trade to #9 with CHI for our #14, 2025 2nd rounder and one or two of our 5ths this year

Why wouldn't the Bears just take Bowers? I think they are mostly set on defense but they sure could use some weapons to help out a rookie QB and what better to help a rookie QB than a TE security blanket to get him easy throws and YAC? They could go WR too but Bowers is basically a WR who blocks better.

And I would not trade next year's 2nd and #14 for Bowers. This team isn't an OT away from competing but it's also not a TE away from competing. They either need to stay put at #14 and take BPA, which is likely an OT, or trade down. And we know they don't trade down. But, no more wasting future high draft picks on the missing piece when there are so many other missing pieces. You can't run the cap the way the Saints do and trade away a bunch of future picks for players they fall in love with.

 

[St. Widge]

Maybe, maybe not... maybe future pick swaps... maybe a 6th for a 7th... happens every year.... point is... there are going to be about 5 OTs available from 32-45 that in most other years would have a mid-late 1st round grade... It should be fairly easy for us to get one in that range... while not reaching for one at 14, and taking the BPA... or trading up if it's reasonable.... to get your future star and cornerstone blue chip player (Bowers, Rome, Alt, Turner, etc)

And in my initial list... I didn't even mention OTs like Suamataia, Rosengarten, and Mims... This draft is littered with OTs that can be starting caliber year 1 guys at LT or RT. This is not the year to need pick for one at 14....

In fact there is so much talent at OT, I'd prefer (and I can't believe I am saying this) to trade back a few spots and pick up a 3rd... then use it and some 5ths to trade back up later.... but we never do that in the 1st.... and I want a sure fire stud this year... and that's only available a few picks ahead of us more than likely. (Good thing we won that ATL game to end the season!)

But, if there is that much value at OT between 32 and 45 why wouldn't those teams just stay put and draft all the value on the board at OT or make a team pay well above draft pick value?