I’m inclined to think the Saints would ideally like to leave this draft w/ Bowers (2 Viewers)

[Elvis]

I know draft simulators aren't a guideline, but he falls to 14 in nearly every one i've done over the last two months. If he's there, you almost have to pick him. TE is a position of need and he'd be the best one on the board.

 

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If Bowers and Fashanu are both sitting there at 14, would you trade down to 15 for a 4rd round pick?

Nope. I think there is almost zero chance both are there. I also think it's a tough choice of BPA and Need. I would just take Bowers. If the Colts want to give a 2nd next year, then I take Olu.

Saints must get better in the trenches OL, DL. Better protection for Carr and find a pass rusher in this draft. Cam has only 1yr, Turner only 1 yr, Chase only 1 yr, need another bona-fide DT to pair with Bresee. Those are more pressing priorities than the TE position. There will be a TE to be had in the 5th rd that'll be just as productive as Bowers will be, history tells us.

I agree with all of this, but BPA is how teams should draft. If 3 OTs go before us, then Bowers is BPA by a lot. I don’t think there’s a big gap between the DTs to prevent one at 45.

Also, there isn’t another TE with Bowers RAC ability. Dude is special. I think there will be talent in the 5th but no one there is close to Bowers.

 

[SWJJ]

I know draft simulators aren't a guideline, but he falls to 14 in nearly every one i've done over the last two months. If he's there, you almost have to pick him. TE is a position of need and he'd be the best one on the board.

Updated simulations I have run in the past 3-4 days have him consistently going between 5-10. Sports radio thinks the Jets will take him if he makes it to 10, and there are teams that would consider trading up to Chicago's number 9 pick to take Bowers.


Jared Verse has fallen to us in several I have seen.

I don't think Bowers makes it to 14.

 

[TribuneUK]

Updated simulations I have run in the past 3-4 days have him consistently going between 5-10. Sports radio thinks the Jets will take him if he makes it to 10, and if there are teams that would consider trading up to Chicago's number 9 pick to take Bowers.


Jared Verse has fallen to us in several I have seen.

I don't think Bowers makes it to 14.

Stop ruining the dreamers' day.

I say this in full acknowledgement of the fact that TE is often an undervalued position on draft day, along with RB, LB and S, but this is just the annual thread that comes up, where people collectively wish for a player who won't fall to us. Usually a glamour position.

Then people get very emotive when this fact is pointed out. Then posts showing a good player who fell in a past draft are rolled out as evidence to the contrary. Then someone says 'Yeah, but that doesn't prove anything'. Then someone argues we should trade up for the desired player. Then someone else argues we need to stop trading up. Somewhere along the line, a 'need vs BPA' argument inevitably breaks out.

And someone always, always, says "Just as long as we don't pick another lineman as our first pick." EE

And then draft day rolls around and this player, the object of this hopeful, wishcasting desire, gets picked ahead of us just as every analyst and draft guide said they would...

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Updated simulations I have run in the past 3-4 days have him consistently going between 5-10. Sports radio thinks the Jets will take him if he makes it to 10, and if there are teams that would consider trading up to Chicago's number 9 pick to take Bowers.


Jared Verse has fallen to us in several I have seen.

I don't think Bowers makes it to 14.

60 minutes has been around this board for a while, and has always had had useful information.

In his post he named 3 OL, 2 QB's a WR and Bowers that the team likes. That's 7 players and 2-3 of them are potentially not going to be available at 14. What that tells me is they have a cloud that is pretty deep, could that facilitate a trade back for some extra picks? If someone like Bowers isn't there...or do we just take OL because we need it.

 

[SWJJ]

60 minutes has been around this board for a while, and has always had had useful information.

In his post he named 3 OL, 2 QB's a WR and Bowers that the team likes. That's 7 players and 2-3 of them are potentially not going to be available at 14. What that tells me is they have a cloud that is pretty deep, could that facilitate a trade back for some extra picks? If someone like Bowers isn't there...or do we just take OL because we need it.

I feel like 5 QBs go in the top 10 and we will be able to draft someone we like a lot, but I dont know that we will have any suitors to trade back, but I'd love to see it.

 

[St. Widge]

60 minutes has been around this board for a while, and has always had had useful information.

In his post he named 3 OL, 2 QB's a WR and Bowers that the team likes. That's 7 players and 2-3 of them are potentially not going to be available at 14. What that tells me is they have a cloud that is pretty deep, could that facilitate a trade back for some extra picks? If someone like Bowers isn't there...or do we just take OL because we need it.

I think if Bowers isn't there they take their top OT at #14 both because they must add an OT in this draft and that OT will probably be BPA on their board. A trade down would be interesting, but when you have a shot at an OT that you think can start for the next 10 years, you draft them unless their is an amazing talent, i.e. Bowers, on the board. And, I think that's probably how Loomis sees it.

While there is a lot of OT talent in this draft, I'm not sure how much of it will get to #45 and I'm not sure the ones that fall to #45 will be scheme fits or have 2nd round value. It would be a major risk to count on getting a scheme fit OT at #45 and could force them to reach for a 3rd or 4th round OT talent. A risk worth taking for Bowers, but I'm not sure anyone else is worth the risk.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I think if Bowers isn't there they take their top OT at #14 both because they must add an OT in this draft and that OT will probably be BPA on their board. A trade down would be interesting, but when you have a shot at an OT that you think can start for the next 10 years, you draft them unless their is an amazing talent, i.e. Bowers, on the board. And, I think that's probably how Loomis sees it.

While there is a lot of OT talent in this draft, I'm not sure how much of it will get to #45 and I'm not sure the ones that fall to #45 will be scheme fits or have 2nd round value. It would be a major risk to count on getting a scheme fit OT at #45 and could force them to reach for a 3rd or 4th round OT talent. A risk worth taking for Bowers, but I'm not sure anyone else is worth the risk.

Scheme fit discussion at OT is interesting because Latham is more of a mauler vs the other tackles listed who seem to fit a zone scheme more clearly. Underhill/Trip have selected him in both drafts at 15 ( I like him, he appears to be a very smooth mover, so smooth that it looks like he's not putting in effort). but a guy who very easily mirrors guy despite his size/girth. Almost seems like a wall at times.

 

[St. Widge]

Scheme fit discussion at OT is interesting because Latham is more of a mauler vs the other tackles listed who seem to fit a zone scheme more clearly.

That's how I saw Latham too, but Underhill and a few others seem to think he does have the lateral quickness to fit the scheme so maybe I am wrong. Also 60 Minutes confirmed that the team does like Latham so I'll certainly defer to the coaching staff. But, I do think there are a few others that likely don't fit the scheme.

 

[Lionsaint]

The following list is who I think provides the most value to the team at 14 and therefore who they should draft there. It’s just my opinion which is based on my gut feeling as a fan with no factual evidence to support it. Which means it’s the gospel and everyone should agree with me.

1) Any of the top QB prospects if the team truly believes they can be a franchise guy for the next 10 years. If they are sold on a QB, the chances of him being available at 14 is extremely low and I think the chances of us drafting QB is virtually non existent.

2) Alt. We need help on the line. We need help at tackle. If he’s there at 14 I just don’t see how we can make any other pick. Unfortunately I dont think he will be available.

3) Bowers. This seems to be a luxury but he is a top 15 talent if not higher. On the off chance he’s available I say grab him and then go with options B, C, and D to fix the OLine.

4) Any of the next 2-4 tackles. We need OT help desperately and luckily these players will likely be best player available at 14. Rare situation where need and BPA match up. Gut feelings says this is the pick most likely to happen.

5) DL. Verse, Turner or Newton seem to be the top choices here.

6) Trade back! If somehow none of the above players are available trade back. I don’t see this happening.

7) WR. If one of the top guys is there and all of the above players or gone. Take them. They will BPA but this will be selection im least happy with. I would rather a trade back in this situation.

8) DL again. Latu or Murphy but they feel like reaches at 14 to me.

9) Any of the remaining OL prospects but again they feel like reaches at 14.

10) One of the top DBs. While they could possibly be BPA and not reaches I just don’t see the value of them to the Saints. It’s just not a position we should target at 14. Especially if Latt will be here next year.

Just my thoughts. Which makes them absolutely correct. Lol.

 

[Judge_Smails]

Bowers is an incredible TE prospect and looks like a perfect fit for what Kubiak probably wants to do with the offense.

I think Bowers’ floor is Sam LaPorta and his ceiling is Kittle, which is elite territory, for sure.

 

[Treybad]

Would love Bowers but unless we address the OL with starters not just bodies Carr is not the scrambling gunslinger unless we give him time want matter who our WRs or TEs are

 

[St. Widge]

Would love Bowers but unless we address the OL with starters not just bodies Carr is not the scrambling gunslinger unless we give him time want matter who our WRs or TEs are

I don't disagree. But, at the same point if Bowers is there at #14 and you take him, you can sign guys like Peat or Becton as one or two year stop gaps and draft an OT at #45 (or move up to late first early second). Then you see if the later OT pick develops as a starter and see if Penning can start while you have average veterans ready to step in.

Maybe it takes you an extra year to fully fix the OT position and the OL in general, but we aren't going to win the NFC this year or next anyway. And at least you have the weapons you need for a QB to succeed while you develop the OL to be better than below average to average.

 

[joe87]

This is my hope too.... but we can't let some team "Mahommes" us either.... and jump up to 12 or 13 and grab him.

If the Jet’s pass on him, my worry is either the Colts or Bengals trading up infront of us.

 

[St. Widge]

This is probably relevant to the discussion. I don't think Nick is saying they would pass on Bowers, but this is how he sees their interest in the OTs. I think when he says they should want Fashanu "regardless of position" I think he means it should not matter that Fausanu is a LT despite the fact that they probably have more of a need at RT with the Ram's health: