It’s time to cut ties with Mathieu (1 Viewer)

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

What Mathieu did isn't ideal but at the same point, with the team eliminated from the playoffs, the season is over. And I think we can all see that there are issues on defense and that the execution is bad on this team. I think Mathieu was frustrated and let it break through. And while Cam didn't say stuff in emotion directly after the game, he made it clear that Grantham should not have been the DL coach and was a serious issue. That's a pretty big indictment of DA and Grantham. Is it better or worse that he said it while not in the heat of emotion after a game? I just don't know that it rises to the level of you can't keep him. Especially when we should have an essentially entirely new coaching staff next year. But, I do think that they need to get younger at Safety and it's possible that Mathieu has hit the age wall.

Rizzi didn't have to address Cam's comments only because Rizzi demoted Grantham and Grantham moved on.

Right, I agree...and yet I don't think it's being understood.

Again, I don't have a problem w/ what Mathieu said. Similarly I don't have an issue w/ what Cam said, but he didn't say anything about it until both guys were out of the organization. He didn't air dirty laundrey, Mathieu did and he did it in such a way that the HC had to answer questions about it.

Anytime your coach has to get up and address your actions or words, what was done probably wasn't smart.

It was incredibly inflammatory at a time where everyone in the lockeroom probably feels or felt the same, but absolutely NO ONE went out of their way to say it.

If you will, go and look at Cams and Demario's Post Game conferences, they quite literally went out of their way to deny that they weren't unprepared or didn't get enough practice reps. Specifically Demario he immediately shot down that notion when asked.

So not only did he cause his coach to answer questions, he had his teammates having to respond to comments based around what he said. He put people in uncomfortable situations the moment he did what he did. That's a personality type that can be detrimental in the long game.

and I should clarify my previous statement about was it wrong or right. It wasn't wrong, we have the option to be critical, but absolutely nothing about what he did helped the situation in that moment, it very obviously harmed the situation.

 

[St. Widge]

Right, I agree...and yet I don't think it's being understood.

Again, I don't have a problem w/ what Mathieu said. Similarly I don't have an issue w/ what Cam said, but he didn't say anything about it until both guys were out of the organization. He didn't air dirty laundrey, Mathieu did and he did it in such a way that the HC had to answer questions about it.

Anytime your coach has to get up and address your actions or words, what was done probably wasn't smart.

It was incredibly inflammatory at a time where everyone in the lockeroom probably feels or felt the same, but absolutely NO ONE went out of their way to say it.

If you will, go and look at Cams and Demario's Post Game conferences, they quite literally went out of their way to deny that they weren't unprepared or didn't get enough practice reps. Specifically Demario he immediately shot down that notion when asked.

So not only did he cause his coach to answer questions, he had his teammates having to respond to comments based around what he said. He put people in uncomfortable situations the moment he did what he did. That's a personality type that can be detrimental in the long game.

and I should clarify my previous statement about was it wrong or right. It wasn't wrong, we have the option to be critical, but absolutely nothing about what he did helped the situation in that moment, it very obviously harmed the situation.

That's fair. I guess I just didn't see Mathieu's comments as being that bad. Yes, they were a bit worse than what Cam said for the reasons you noted, but I don't think they rise to the level of the stuff MT said.

And I don't think it would be an issue going forward because the coaching staff will turn over and he didn't call out any players on the team.

But, I certainly can see your point of view. And if the current staff did stay, I can see how it would be an issue.

 

[Blackcricket]

This organization is coming across to me as arrogant. It's why you hear these leakage statements from players who can afford to make them. Honey badger has a ring and knows what winning staff looks and feels like. This one won't listen to convenient private locker room talk. It needs to be made uncomfortable in order to make any movement in a positive direction. Probably why it took so long for DA to be gone.

Green Bay was humbling. Don't have a rich owner, small market but with a bunch of young dudes literally kicked our you know what.

 

[Hank]

Rizzi having to defend the Saints practice habits after Mathieu’s outburst when other players could have done the same in their post game interviews highlights one of the problems.

Neither Cam nor Demario echoed Tyrann nor dared criticize the organization publicly even if they felt that way privately, it reeks of the same scorched earth comments right before Michael Thomas’ departure and Mathieu looks similarly washed in recent weeks.

This draft is deep at safety. Move on

Honey badger, Jordan, RAM-- thank you for your service. No longer need to be playing for the Saints. Released or Retire. It will cost alot of dead money--pay and it and start the rebuild with young players.
MOG is close too

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

I said this last year

 

[Optimistic Ozzy]

This organization is coming across to me as arrogant. It's why you hear these leakage statements from players who can afford to make them. Honey badger has a ring and knows what winning staff looks and feels like. This one won't listen to convenient private locker room talk. It needs to be made uncomfortable in order to make any movement in a positive direction. Probably why it took so long for DA to be gone.

Green Bay was humbling. Don't have a rich owner, small market but with a bunch of young dudes literally kicked our you know what.

Honey Badger needs to look in the mirror.

 

[Elvis]

Man, somebody has to say what he said. Is it bad decorum? Sure. But the team is bad and the players are still asking for answers they aren't getting. TM is a pro and has always been a pro. I have no problem with him speaking his mind at the end of this season because I'd be pissed if he wasn't pissed.

 

[DSnfla]

This what happened after Ryan Nielson left.

He was head and shoulders better than every single defensive coach on the staff including DA!

And yet he's has not been good in Atl and Jax

 

[renegadewa]

And yet he's has not been good in Atl and Jax

That may be but he was when he was here.

Maybe he saw the writing on the wall and got out while he could.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

This organization is coming across to me as arrogant. It's why you hear these leakage statements from players who can afford to make them. Honey badger has a ring and knows what winning staff looks and feels like. This one won't listen to convenient private locker room talk. It needs to be made uncomfortable in order to make any movement in a positive direction. Probably why it took so long for DA to be gone.

Green Bay was humbling. Don't have a rich owner, small market but with a bunch of young dudes literally kicked our you know what.

Thats a legitimate way to look at it. However I must ask, when has publicly airing grievances ever made a situation “better”? Those conversations, respectfully, are better had in private, even if you’re right… yes?

 

[BayouSAINTJoe]

We got him 6 years too late. Now he's a 5'9" 180 lb safety who's out there making business decisions on who he's going to tackle and how.

Cant blame him because I would be doing the same thing in his predicament. He's paid, just has to survive this next game and he can retire reasonably football healthy.

 

[livefromDC]

Glad to hear that there are good safeties in this draft.

It's drafting goggles. Whenever fans convince themselves that one position is a greater need than others, they also convince themselves that that specific position is the deepest in the draft. Happens every year.

 

[SweetT]

Not sure if this was posted yet, but…..

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

It's drafting goggles. Whenever fans convince themselves that one position is a greater need than others, they also convince themselves that that specific position is the deepest in the draft. Happens every year.

I guffawed audibly