It’s time to cut ties with Mathieu (1 Viewer)

[sfidc3]

Cam Jordan, Demario Davis, and Tyran Mathieu are the respective veteran leaders at each level of the Saints defense. All three have a legitimate case as hall of fame players.

Mathieu a HOFer? Very doubtful, he's had a nice long career but not a HOF talent IMO....

 

[Rouxble]

Mathieu a HOFer? Very doubtful, he's had a nice long career but not a HOF talent IMO....

PFR currently has him ranked 14th among DB's on their HOF monitor, which definitely indicates that his chances aren't too great. Three bigger names in the top five are Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, and Earl Thomas, all with "HOF scores" below the average for other DB HOF inductees.

 

[B4YOU]

PFR currently has him ranked 14th among DB's on their HOF monitor, which definitely indicates that his chances aren't too great. Three bigger names in the top five are Patrick Peterson, Richard Sherman, and Earl Thomas, all with "HOF scores" below the average for other DB HOF inductees.

NFL's All-Decade Team is pretty much a list of who will get in. Jahri Evans, Cameron Jordan, and Tyrann Matthieu made the list. Matthieu made it as a DB and not S or CB.

NFL's All-Decade Team of the 2010s - Offense | Pro Football Hall of Fame

Eight unanimous selections highlight the 2010s Offensive All-Decade Team announced today by the National Football League and the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Learn more today!

www.profootballhof.com

 

[Rouxble]

NFL's All-Decade Team is pretty much a list of who will get in. Jahri Evans, Cameron Jordan, and Tyrann Matthieu made the list. Matthieu made it as a DB and not S or CB.

NFL's All-Decade Team of the 2010s - Offense | Pro Football Hall of Fame

Eight unanimous selections highlight the 2010s Offensive All-Decade Team announced today by the National Football League and the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Learn more today!

www.profootballhof.com

Mathieu probably has the lowest chances of the three, but it's definitely true that making the all-decade team is the minimum (and the likely indicator) for making the HOF after retirement. On the PFR HOF monitor, making an all-decade team is worth 25 points, well more than any other accolade (a season MVP is worth 12.5, a 1st team AP selection is 2.5, a Pro Bowl is 1.5, almost everything else is less).

 

[St. Widge]

Didn't know that, Thanks.....idiotic move by the FO.....IMO

It wasn't really a two year extension and it was before this season. It was really a one year extension where they spread the money he would have made this year over two years. I think it's the same deal they did with Demario Davis. So it was a pay cut in exchange for an extra year. I don't think it stops them from cutting him if they want to.

But, based on what Underhill and Tripp are saying, the decision on if they keep older players like Cam and Mathieu will depend on what they do with Carr. They can cut Carr but they would have to keep/convert the salary of all the older players to signing bonuses. Or, they can keep Carr and convert his salary to signing bonuses which would allow them to cut older players.

In the end, I don't think any of these decisions should be made now. They should hire a new HC and then let him decide how he wants to build his team.

 

[MatthewV]

It's a shame, but I think unless he's willing to take a role player paycut, it doesn't make sense to keep him as he inexorably declines in the defensive backfield 40+ snaps a game.

Yeah we'd have two safety positions to fill -- but we already have two safety positions to fill. I rather a young safety have a year to gain experience next year than squeeze the last few drops out of a dead-end safety who will not be contributing to a super bowl team as a starter again in his career.

 

[Icon]

There's wanting a man gone.....

And then there's wanting a man gone 10 minutes before the clock strikes midnight for a new year.

Next level dedication from the OP that didn't go unnoticed by me.

 

[BoNcHiE]

He’s a liability on the field. That’s all that matters to me.

 

[Jive Saint]

There's wanting a man gone.....

And then there's wanting a man gone 10 minutes before the clock strikes midnight for a new year.

Next level dedication from the OP that didn't go unnoticed by me.

Haha stone cold

 

[Hank]

Cam Jordan, Demario Davis, and Tyran Mathieu are the respective veteran leaders at each level of the Saints defense. All three have a legitimate case as hall of fame players. All three are past their prime, too slow, and need to not be on the 2025 roster if the Saints are serious about a rebuild. We have to get younger, faster, and less expensive. Trading our best defensive player (Lattimore) was the price of other bad decisions. We let Trey Hendrickson, Zach Baun, David Onyemata, Alex Anzalone, Marcus Williams and Chauncy Gardner Johnson go. All are younger defensive starters on other teams. We failed on the defensive line in wasted draft picks on Marcus Davenport, Peyton Turner, and Isiah Foskey. This defense needs a reckoning. Cam, Demario, and Tyrann are not at fault. Loomis is the GM. Allen was the coach. The organization needs to make some hard decisions based on who we can draft. That starts at edge passrusher and both safety positions with the most likely to eek one more year in Davis.

Great take----need to swallow the dead money as much as possible on these players (Dont forget about RAM)- go young --most of the fan base will understand the process -----If Broncos can eat $60M in dead money on Wilson terrible contract & be on the cusp of playoffs--Saints can do it

 

[sfidc3]

It wasn't really a two year extension and it was before this season. It was really a one year extension where they spread the money he would have made this year over two years. I think it's the same deal they did with Demario Davis. So it was a pay cut in exchange for an extra year. I don't think it stops them from cutting him if they want to.

But, based on what Underhill and Tripp are saying, the decision on if they keep older players like Cam and Mathieu will depend on what they do with Carr. They can cut Carr but they would have to keep/convert the salary of all the older players to signing bonuses. Or, they can keep Carr and convert his salary to signing bonuses which would allow them to cut older players.

In the end, I don't think any of these decisions should be made now. They should hire a new HC and then let him decide how he wants to build his team.

Thanks Widge, that makes more sense at least.....at least for next year I have no problem keeping Carr....

 

[Mojomajik9]

I don’t think what he said was that bad. He’s probably right, too. However, is it really Saints-specific? Are lighter practices due to the agreement between the NFL and the NFLPA? I was under the impression players voted to lighten the workload of practices.

 

[luvdasaints]

After watching the lack of discipline, the last 2 games we really need to clean house and need the strongest coach out there. IDGAF if the players like him or not we need someone that is not their buddy but will hold them accountable. Screaming at players on the sideline is ridiculous and not how you discipline a player because they keep doing stupid stuff. I am so ready and hopeful for a massive change here. I am not expecting a Super Bowl next year but would like to cheer and spend money on a competitive team that would be fun to watch. If watching all the players that were not really high dollar walk the past 3-4 years flourish on other teams is proof Loomis has to go as well.

 

[NS_Saint]

And who are these emerging players for TM to supplemental?

Did you read the second paragraph of my post? I mentioned that the problem was we didn't have any young players step up.