Saints are flying Kafka and Weaver in for 2nd interviews [Interviews completed] (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

If we are looking at failed teams to hire our next head coach we might as well interview Carolinas assistant coaches.

Technically we are since Joe Brady was the OC for a failed Carolina team.

Honestly, most, if not all coaches are on bad teams on occasion. Doesn't mean that they aren't good or even great coaches. Especially if they weren't the HC of that failed team.

 

[St. Widge]

We should just go down the list of coordinators for some of the worst units we can think of.

I wonder what Rob Ryan is up to.

Didn't you just complain about hiring a coach, McCarthy, who has been an winning coach because it was too much like Arky hiring Calipari? If we don't hire successful coaches from successful teams, like McCarthy, and we don't hire assistant coaches from unsuccessful teams, what's left?

 

[HogsNSaints]

Technically we are since Joe Brady was the OC for a failed Carolina team.

Honestly, most, if not all coaches are on bad teams on occasion. Doesn't mean that they aren't good or even great coaches. Especially if they weren't the HC of that failed team.

As “bad” as it seemed, Joe Brady’s 2020 offense with Carolina averaged 349.50 per game - which is the highest YPG Carolina has had since Cam Newton was their QB.

 

[HogsNSaints]

Didn't you just complain about hiring a coach, McCarthy, who has been an winning coach because it was too much like Arky hiring Calipari? If we don't hire successful coaches from successful teams, like McCarthy, and we don't hire assistant coaches from unsuccessful teams, what's left?

It’s in the message ^ up there.

I’d take McCarthy over Kafka.

And I think young upstart coordinator that’s looking for his opportunity is the ticket, I just think taking the OC of the worst offense in the NFL is like pulling that ticket out of a doodoo riddled toilet.

 

[Rexman100]

NEW SAINTS HC ODDS- interesting to see Big Mike and Kellen Moore tied for 1st. And the two guys coming in this week, long shots by far!

 

[Saint KayBee]

Again, it’s not 2024 results. The team he went to in 2022 progressively got worse - the team he left in 2022 has won the Super Bowl every year since he left.. You can go off what people say about him, I’ll go off of what he’s actually done at his job..

Continue to pretend this is a 1-year conversation, while continuing to make excuses for that one disastrous year, as if this is a talent rich goldmine that he will flourish with.

I have hated McCarthy as an option, but the guy is Andy Reid compared to Kafka..

It’s almost like you post things then forget what you say, which is why I use the quote feature… They were only the worst offense in 2024, which is 1) a one-year assessment of a guy 2) who didn’t call plays in 2024.

The talent-poor Giants had a decent offense in 2022 under Kafka’s playcalling and it all went to crap when Daboll took it over. And you’re still insisting it’s Kafka’s fault. And he’s still a top-3 inner circle guy (Reid, Bieniemy, then Kafka) who helped develop the league’s best quarterback from 2018-2021.

 

[St. Widge]

As “bad” as it seemed, Joe Brady’s 2020 offense with Carolina averaged 349.50 per game - which is the highest YPG Carolina has had since Cam Newton was their QB.

And Kafka was the OC that got the Giants to the playoffs with Daniel Jones as his QB. I don't know that Kafka is the right guy, but he's certainly worth talking to and probably as worth talking to as Brady is. If for no other reason Kafka was actually on NFL teams for 5 years and has more years of experience as an NFL coach than Brady.

 

[St. Widge]

Appears that way. Very odd that we did not get those done much earlier so that we would have more flexibility if we had to act quickly on a coaching candidate.

Could be that they always planned to interview Brady and Moore, who can't be interviewed until next week, so this week made sense to interview Kafka and Weaver. Or they are really interested in Kafka and Weaver as serious candidates?

 

[StudioSaint]

Could be that they always planned to interview Brady and Moore, who can't be interviewed until next week, so this week made sense to interview Kafka and Weaver. Or they are really interested in Kafka and Weaver as serious candidates?

I think that the Saints are only interviewing people that they would hire. The first step of the hiring process is to narrow down the pool of available candidates to just the people you would actually hire. Then you start scheduling the interviews.

Even with the Rooney Rule, I don't think the Saints would fly someone in for an interview that they aren't seriously open to hiring.

 

[St. Widge]

I think that the Saints are only interviewing people that they would hire. The first step of the hiring process is to narrow down the pool of available candidates to just the people you would actually hire. Then you start scheduling the interviews.

Even with the Rooney Rule, I don't think the Saints would fly someone in for an interview that they aren't seriously open to hiring.

I tend to agree. I guess I always assume they have a favorite, but maybe they don't since it's not just one guy doing the interviews. I honestly hope they don't have a favorite and that they go into every interview giving the guy an equal chance to get the job. Just because you don't like the stats or the resume as much as others doesn't mean they aren't the right choice for this specific situation. And maybe that is what they are doing since it's a 5 or 6 person group doing the interviews. Each of them probably has different guys that they would probably like, but with that many reviewing each candidate hopefully each guy will get a fair shot.

Of course, in the end, it's going to be Loomis making the decision, but hopefully he has an open mind going into each interview and will listen to the other guys doing the interviews.

 

[webster]

Technically we are since Joe Brady was the OC for a failed Carolina team.

Honestly, most, if not all coaches are on bad teams on occasion. Doesn't mean that they aren't good or even great coaches. Especially if they weren't the HC of that failed team.

You have a valid point. But I suggest deep diving into successful programs first, especially if the coach has been on a team for a few good years.

 

[HogsNSaints]

You have a valid point. But I suggest deep diving into successful programs first, especially if the coach has been on a team for a few good years.

Exactly. If it’s 30-something year old OC for a successful offense vs 30-something OC for a bad offense, skill talent only plays in so much - you should take the one that is coordinating the more successful unit. Even if it is just being around success, that’s more valid than NOT being around success - and before someone adds Kafka’s Chiefs experience, again - Super Bowl every year he’s been gone.

Especially, when you have the story in Buffalo, where there was a clear and obvious leap in play once they moved from Ken Dorsey to Brady. Brady has the Sean Payton story, the LSU story, etc.. Joe Brady should be target #1 and it feels very obvious to me.

 

[DSnfla]

I tend to agree. I guess I always assume they have a favorite, but maybe they don't since it's not just one guy doing the interviews. I honestly hope they don't have a favorite and that they go into every interview giving the guy an equal chance to get the job. Just because you don't like the stats or the resume as much as others doesn't mean they aren't the right choice for this specific situation. And maybe that is what they are doing since it's a 5 or 6 person group doing the interviews. Each of them probably has different guys that they would probably like, but with that many reviewing each candidate hopefully each guy will get a fair shot.

Of course, in the end, it's going to be Loomis making the decision, but hopefully he has an open mind going into each interview and will listen to the other guys doing the interviews.

I think they do have a favorite and it's MM. And I think he wants to come here. But I think they want to do due diligence and interview the rest to see if someone blows them away

 

[St. Geezy]

Especially, when you have the story in Buffalo, where there was a clear and obvious leap in play once they moved from Ken Dorsey to Brady. Brady has the Sean Payton story, the LSU story, etc.. Joe Brady should be target #1 and it feels very obvious to me.

Aside from the fact that his LSU story happened to coincide with him having arguably the two best WRs in the NFL at his disposal and a top 3 passer in the league throwing to them, or that he’s working with a MVP candidate QB at the moment that was great before he got there, there is a lot more to consider outside of stat sheet results.

What if what is obvious to you contradicts what’s happening in the interviews? What if their vision of leadership isn’t being satisfied? What if there are things about him that you don’t know about that would come about while he’s being vetted for the elevated position of NFL HC through past references?

I think we all have our favorite candidate, but none of us can say the choice is “obvious,” especially when talking about the younger guys that’s never done it before.

There are certain qualities each team looks for in a HC, speaking in regards to leadership qualities, professionalism qualities. “Is this someone I want standing up at a podium representing my organization?” “Is this someone my locker room is going to take seriously when things aren’t going particularly well?” “Is this someone whose subordinate staff is going to have the utmost respect for?”

These are questions outside observers can’t really answer. We can’t just look at coordinators’ offensive outputs and say they “should be target #1 and it feels very obvious.”

Contrary to popular belief, all of these interviews aren’t going to go perfectly. Not saying Brady won’t check all of these boxes, but these are just things to consider when declaring that you think you know who the obvious #1 target should be, especially when it is someone that’s never done the job before.