Who would you take at #9 in this scenario

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

I watched a mock draft podcast on youtube with this result:

1. Titans QB Cam Ward
2. Browns QB Shedeur Sanders
3. Giants Edge Abdul Carter
4. Patriots CB Travis Hunter
5. Jaguars DT Mason Graham
6. Raiders RB Ashton Jeanty
7. Jets TE Tyler Warren
8. Panthers WR Tetairoa McMillan

They had the Saints selecting Will Campbell in this scenario. I personally would hate for the draft to fall like this, but I can see it as a real possibility. What would you select in this case?

Kenneth Grant DT Michigan

 

[SonOfNOLA]

Is there a history or him making a difference as a linebacker coach? Like examples?

DA has a huge list of DBs...

OLBs while Staley was OLB coach/DC/HC

2018 (Bears OLB coach)
Khalil Mack: 12.5 sacks (13th in NFL), 14 TFLs, 47 pressures (9th in NFL), 26 hurries (4th in NFL), 8 QB hits (30th in NFL)
Leonard Floyd: 4 sacks, 9 TFLs, 23 pressures, 13 hurries (40th), 6 QB hits (T-58th)

2019 (Broncos OLB coach)
Von Miller: 8 sacks, 10 TFLs, 19 pressures (12th), 18 hurries (8th), 10 QB hits (20th)

2020 (Rams DC)
Leonard Floyd: 10.5 sacks (9th), 13 TFLs, 30 pressures (28th), 10 hurries (T-38th), 8 QB hits
Sam Ebukam: 4.5 sacks, 5 TFLs, 13 pressures, 5 hurries, 3 QB hits

2021 (Chargers HC)
Joey Bosa: 10.5 sacks (13th), 5 TFLs, 43 pressures (T-7th), 21 hurries (T-1st), 11 QB hits (18th)
Uchenna Nwosu: 5 sacks, 8 TFLs, 30 pressures (31st), 13 hurries (T-32nd), 12 QB hits (T-14th)

2022 (Chargers HC)
Khalil Mack: 8 sacks, 12 TFLs (19th), 18 pressures, 6 hurries, 4 QB hits
Joey Bosa missed 12 games

2023 (Chargers HC)
Khalil Mack: 17 sacks (4th), 21 TFLs (3rd), 36 pressures (12th), 10 QB hits (34th)
Joey Bosa in 9 games: 6.5 sacks, 6 TFLs, 15 pressures, 6 hurries, 2 QB hits
Tuli Tuipulotu (rookie): 4.5 sacks, 8 TFLs, 22 pressures (T-55th), 11 hurries (T-15th), 6 QB hits (T-72nd)


Rankings overall amongst all defensive players in NFL


OLB Tuli Tuipulotu as a rookie was tied with Micah Parsons in QB hurries, tied with Jonathon Cooper and DT Jonathan Allen in pressures, 1 less pressure than Clowney and Preston Smith, and 1 less QB hit than Hendrickson.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

OLBs while Staley was OLB coach/DC/HC

2018 (Bears OLB coach)

How many of these guys where studs before him?

Khalil Mack: 12.5 sacks (13th in NFL), 14 TFLs, 47 pressures (9th in NFL), 26 hurries (4th in NFL), 8 QB hits (30th in NFL)

Mack had 10, 11, and 15 sacks the year prior. Mack was already him before.

Leonard Floyd: 4 sacks, 9 TFLs, 23 pressures, 13 hurries (40th), 6 QB hits (T-58th)

Had 4 and 4.5 sacks the two years prior.

2019 (Broncos OLB coach)
Von Miller: 8 sacks, 10 TFLs, 19 pressures (12th), 18 hurries (8th), 10 QB hits (20th)

Was already a multiple time all pro before.

2020 (Rams DC)
Leonard Floyd: 10.5 sacks (9th), 13 TFLs, 30 pressures (28th), 10 hurries (T-38th), 8 QB hits
Sam Ebukam: 4.5 sacks, 5 TFLs, 13 pressures, 5 hurries, 3 QB hits

Floyd's breakout year. This example 100% fits your narrative.

Tuli Tuipulotu (rookie): 4.5 sacks, 8 TFLs, 22 pressures (T-55th), 11 hurries (T-15th), 6 QB hits (T-72nd)

This fits as well.

2021 (Chargers HC)
Joey Bosa: 10.5 sacks (13th), 5 TFLs, 43 pressures (T-7th), 21 hurries (T-1st), 11 QB hits (18th)
Uchenna Nwosu: 5 sacks, 8 TFLs, 30 pressures (31st), 13 hurries (T-32nd), 12 QB hits (T-14th)

2022 (Chargers HC)
Khalil Mack: 8 sacks, 12 TFLs (19th), 18 pressures, 6 hurries, 4 QB hits
Joey Bosa missed 12 games

2023 (Chargers HC)
Khalil Mack: 17 sacks (4th), 21 TFLs (3rd), 36 pressures (12th), 10 QB hits (34th)
Joey Bosa in 9 games: 6.5 sacks, 6 TFLs, 15 pressures, 6 hurries, 2 QB hits

Yeah i'm not gonna keep saying the same thing. All of these guys but two performed at a similar or better level before he arrived. Difficult for me to give him credit for that.

 

[IlovemySaints]

Would be SHOCKED if Carolina went Tet.

Why ?

 

[SigFreudianSlip]

Why ?

Throwing to a WR that large would give Bryce a Napoleon complex.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

How many of these guys where studs before him?

Mack had 10, 11, and 15 sacks the year prior. Mack was already him before.


Had 4 and 4.5 sacks the two years prior.

Was already a multiple time all pro before.

Floyd's breakout year. This example 100% fits your narrative.

This fits as well.


Yeah i'm not gonna keep saying the same thing. All of these guys but two performed at a similar or better level before he arrived. Difficult for me to give him credit for that.

No narrative there. That’s simply the starting OLB production history under Staley. He’s consistently coached steady—top production from his starting OLBs. Their numbers, along with the Saints top 2 pass rushers’ ‘23-‘24 seasons, gives an idea of a potential floor-ceiling for the Saints’ two starting OLBs with Staley.

Floyd and Tuipolotu fits your narrative or answer your question about who did Staley make a difference with. He was in charge of a unit or team for only 7 years.
A 2 year position coach and 1 year DC can only coach the personnel that he’s given.

Staley can’t be discredited or knocked for coming into a promotion with existing productive players. Their production didn’t dip with him.

OLB only has two starters while a secondary has 4 starters who frequently changes every few years at 2-3 of the DB spots. Dennis Allen will have an extensive history with a variety of productive DBs since he’s been a DB coach, DC, and HC for 17 years. Staley has ran a unit at different levels for only 7 years. He didn’t have say in personnel until the last 3 of those 7 years. As HC he went with a familiar face at 1 of the other OLB spots and overseen him produce a career high 17 sack year.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

No narrative there. That’s simply the starting OLB production history under Staley. He’s consistently coached steady—top production from his starting OLBs. Their numbers, along with the Saints top 2 pass rushers’ ‘23-‘24 seasons, gives an idea of a potential floor-ceiling for the Saints’ two starting OLBs with Staley.

Floyd and Tuipolotu fits your narrative or answer your question about who did Staley make a difference with. He was in charge of a unit or team for only 6 years.
A 2 year position coach and 1 year DC can only coach the personnel that he’s given.

Staley can’t be discredited or knocked for coming into a promotion with existing productive players. Their production didn’t dip with him.

OLB only has two starters while a secondary has 4 starters who frequently changes every few years at 2-3 of the DB spots. Dennis Allen will have an extensive history with a variety of productive DBs since he’s been a DB coach, DC, and HC for 17 years. Staley has ran a unit at different levels for only 6 years. He didn’t have say in personnel until the last 3 of those 6 years. He went with a familiar face at 1 of the other OLB spots and overseen him produce a career high 17 sack year as HC.

While I agree with what you're saying. This seems to be more so having already talented players that performed before him also produce during him and less about him being a linebacker guru.

 

[SonOfNOLA]

While I agree with what you're saying. This seems to be more so having already talented players that performed before him also produce during him and less about him being a linebacker guru.

I missed that part about Staley being called a LB guru. He can’t be a guru since he didn’t have the opportunity to develop a young OLB prospect until his 7th year as NFL coach. He doesn’t have examples of developing many 1st-2nd year guys or transforming many players which isn’t his fault. Staley’s starting 2 OLBs consisted of Floyd, Mack, and Bosa in 6 of 7 years. Floyd had the tools as a former top 10 pick and Staley helped him finally become a good pass rusher in Floyd’s 5th year.

It’s probably more fair to say Staley can continue good production with existing star/productive starting OLBs. He has a good track record in keeping vets productive.

 

[Shotgunred]

Kenneth Grant DT Michigan

Not really sure about drafting Grant at 9. We have too many NTs on the roster already with Godchaux, Saunders, Ridgeway, and Boyd. Walter Nolen would be a beast at 3 tech for us.

 

[ELLIASJWILLIAMS]

Not really sure about drafting Grant at 9. We have too many NTs on the roster already with Godchaux, Saunders, Ridgeway, and Boyd. Walter Nolen would be a beast at 3 tech for us.

Godcahux will be an end

 

[Furious One]

Godcahux will be an end

Oh, dude, don't leave me hangin' like that.... 330lb end? I know you got some elaboration to make on that.... Give it up!

 

[MemphoJoe]

Tough crowd. Specifically asked, "in this scenario', and people argue with the scenario. Lol!!!