3-4 Adjsutments for Vitt? (2 Viewers)

[LSSpam]

Didn't GW run a fair amount of modified 3-5?

GW ran a sort of 3-3-5 as frequently as he ran a 4-3 base alignment, but Roman Harper essentially played as a 4th linebacker. He ran some 3-4 with Marvin Mitchell as well, but not nearly as much as the 4-3 or 3-3-5 with Harper in the box.

 

[Koolbrees]

I hope Rob Ryan keeps Vitt as far away from the linebackers as possible. Vitt is a terrible Linebacker coach.

Vitts needs to be an assistant to Payton and THAT IS IT!

Ryan bring in your own LB coaches.....

- he NEVER developed any LB we drafted....

- Vilma & Lofton were already made before coming to New Orleans.....

- who has he developed that became a STUD or even solid in the NFL....and please don't say Shanle

 

[SweetT]

No. He was signed by St.Louis specifically to be a starting LB (replacing Chamberlain actually who we friggen signed ) on the evaluation of Greg Williams.

So Vitt developed Dunbar into the guy that Williams wanted to sign to start at LB. Spag let Dunbar walk so he could bring in his guy Chamberlain.

So Vitt gets credit for Dunbar. Dunbar got his job because of the progress he made under Vitt that Williams saw.

So, Vitt developed Dunbar to play behind the ever-so-great Scott Shanle? Nope, Vitt and GW chose to start the likes of Shanle instead of Dunbar. Vitt gets no credit for developing Dunbar.

 

[Koolbrees]

so, vitt developed dunbar to play behind the ever-so-great scott shanle? Nope, vitt and gw chose to start the likes of shanle instead of dunbar. Vitt gets no credit for developing dunbar.

exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Gore]

Dunbar came in here as an undrafted rookie, got better every year and therefore got more playing time. When he was ready to start he did start - he started 14 games in 2011. That's exactly what you are hoping for and it's a success story. If you don't want to give Vitt any credit for that then you are free to do so but Dunbar's career clearly shows that young players did get better under Vitt.

 

[Get in the Carr]

Dunbar came in here as an undrafted rookie, got better every year and therefore got more playing time. When he was ready to start he did start - he started 14 games in 2011. That's exactly what you are hoping for and it's a success story. If you don't want to give Vitt any credit for that then you are free to do so but Dunbar's career clearly shows that young players did get better under Vitt.

How is it a success story when he is on another team? That just means he is terrible at recognizing the talent in front of him. He likes "character" over talent obviously. We steadily miss tackles and Dunbar was a sure tackler. Doesn't make sense to get rid of someone with a skillset we lack. I like Vitt as a mouthpiece but nothing more.

 

[SweetT]

Dunbar came in here as an undrafted rookie, got better every year and therefore got more playing time. When he was ready to start he did start - he started 14 games in 2011. That's exactly what you are hoping for and it's a success story. If you don't want to give Vitt any credit for that then you are free to do so but Dunbar's career clearly shows that young players did get better under Vitt.

Give me a break. Dunbar is what you call a "football player" or "gamer". He is the kind of player that possesses all of the tools and attributes to be successful in the NFL. Every position we asked him to play, he did with ease. Sorry, despite going undrafted, that was one talented/gifted player, that got a raw deal by having to be buried behind Shanle (despite outplaying Shanle). The only thing that Vitt gets credit for is: stealing playing time from Dunbar and wasting our time by putting Shanle instead of Dunbar on the field.

 

[Koolbrees]

Dunbar came in here as an undrafted rookie, got better every year and therefore got more playing time. When he was ready to start he did start - he started 14 games in 2011. That's exactly what you are hoping for and it's a success story. If you don't want to give Vitt any credit for that then you are free to do so but Dunbar's career clearly shows that young players did get better under Vitt.

This guy is clueless! How can he give credit to Vitt for developing Dunbar but Shanle started in front of this guy. Are you serious....

There are alot of people on here that doesn't know anything about football or talent...PERIOD DOT!

Shanle is below average as a LB.....always has been. Dunbar was better than him and we let Dunbar go....hmmmmm doesn't seem smart at all.

 

[SweetT]

This guy is clueless! How can he give credit to Vitt for developing Dunbar but Shanle started in front of this guy. Are you serious....

There are alot of people on here that doesn't know anything about football or talent...PERIOD DOT!

Shanle is below average as a LB.....always has been. Dunbar was better than him and we let Dunbar go....hmmmmm doesn't seem smart at all.

^^^^ Word!!!

 

[Swimmer]

hmm , maybe he is buddhist?

Do you want to buy some incense. Or is that the hari Krishna gig

 

[LSSpam]

This guy is clueless! How can he give credit to Vitt for developing Dunbar but Shanle started in front of this guy. Are you serious....

There are alot of people on here that doesn't know anything about football or talent...PERIOD DOT!

Shanle is below average as a LB.....always has been. Dunbar was better than him and we let Dunbar go....hmmmmm doesn't seem smart at all.

I don't know what's so complicated about this. Dunbar came in as an undersized UDFA and got progressively more playing time until he was essentially starting in 2011. Then we hired Spags and Spags wanted to bring his own guys in (Chamberlain manly).

This isn't complicated stuff.

 

[LSSpam]

So, Vitt developed Dunbar to play behind the ever-so-great Scott Shanle? Nope, Vitt and GW chose to start the likes of Shanle instead of Dunbar. Vitt gets no credit for developing Dunbar.

Did you people just not follow the Saints until 2012? We're you out of the country in 2011? I'm really confused about how none of you seem to remember Dunbar starting much of the season in 2011. We moved Shanle to SAM specifically to play Dunbar? Anyone recall? No one? Dunbar had 80 tackles, he was one of the top tacklers on the team. Nobody?

 

[LSSpam]

How is it a success story when he is on another team? That just means he is terrible at recognizing the talent in front of him. He likes "character" over talent obviously. We steadily miss tackles and Dunbar was a sure tackler. Doesn't make sense to get rid of someone with a skillset we lack. I like Vitt as a mouthpiece but nothing more.

Vitt played Dunbar. Dunbar started here in New Orleans. Dunbar played for us in 2011. How does no one remember this? We were GOOD that year! Did none of you watch the Saints? DUNBAR STARTED.

I'm flabbergasted.

 

[Saint_Ward]

I think people missed my point when I said ask Vitt.

How do we know what he does or doesn't need to learn? How do we know if he's good at coaching LB's in a specific alignment?

He's been coaching football for about 30 years. He has to know something. Just because Payton is an offensive guy doesn't mean he doesn't know defense. I bet Drew Brees knows more about defensive alignments and responsibilities than most people on this board.

So, it's just a silly off season argument that no one here can actually answer. What merits do we even debate? The number of tackles the LB's have had? Splash plays? Just how we feel about the defense?

 

[la. champ1]

Exactly. I can tell from listening to him for 5 minutes that he UNDERSTANDS the game of football. And I also know that you don't get to the NFL without understanding the game, which is different than being a "one position specialist." Not a lot of those guys exist at the NFL level.

There is absolutely no grounds for calling Joe Vitt a "bad coach" or "bad LB coach". Because we havent' been satisfied with LB play under him?

Being a playmaker takes talent, not coaching. The things fans look for... that is the "uncoachable" stuff. I can tell Vitt is a good teacher and a good coach because regardless of the quality of his players, I see them playing assignment football. Again, last year the entire defense was horrible. I don't care if we'd have had Mike Singletary as our LB coach, the LBs would not have looked very good.

I understand fans complaining about players, even when I don't agree. I understand them complaining about coordinators or head coaches. But to start evaluating position coaches... that is a little too specific to casually pass judgment.

Agree. Vitt has coached in the NFL for a very long time and has had to coach in the 3-4 at least a few times. The linebacker play on our team is a product of players getting older(Jonathan Vilma/injuries), letting go of one or two guys we shouldn't have (jolun Dunbar), and just a lack of talent period.