A blocking wide receiver who can catch (1 Viewer)

[syracuse saint]

I like Coleman. He would be a value pick in round 2 if available. However, if we could just sign Jennings from the Niners who is a free agent, we could save the draft pick and get a known commodity. Besides I want to see what his hair would look died gold.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

Are you talking about after Travis went down? Bc Coleman is an absolute stud

Coleman is definitely a fine prospect but he struggled to create separation regardless of who his QB was.

34.5% of his targets where considered "contested". This is defined as "a defensive back within close proximity to defend the pass". 34.5% is by far the highest % out of any of the top receivers in this class.

To put it into perspective here's some of the other top WRs in the class.
MHJ: 16.7%
Troy Franklin: 13.5%
Rome Odunze: 20%
Brian Thomas Jr: 14.9%

Now add in his contested catch % which is only 33.3% and you've got a big body receiver who struggles to create separation and then is sub par when it comes to catching said contested passes.

 

[Snakehead]

I mean sure, but you can't sit Olave and Shaheed on the bench when they are by far the best weapons we have. So, you either need to teach them to block or figure something else out. And maybe long term those guys aren't right for the offense or maybe you can only have one of them on the field. Then you move on from one or both when you have a replacement. But, for now you just have to try to teach them to block.

It's probably going to be a combination of teaching them to be more physical or scheming them open. But, going without at least 1 blocking WR will be a mistake.

Coleman is definitely a fine prospect but he struggled to create separation regardless of who his QB was.

34.5% of his targets where considered "contested". This is defined as "a defensive back within close proximity to defend the pass". 34.5% is by far the highest % out of any of the top receivers in this class.

To put it into perspective here's some of the other top WRs in the class.
MHJ: 16.7%
Troy Franklin: 13.5%
Rome Odunze: 20%
Brian Thomas Jr: 14.9%

Now add in his contested catch % which is only 33.3% and you've got a big body receiver who struggles to create separation and then is sub par when it comes to catching said contested passes.

He's getting a lot of comps to Quentin Johnston. It's not fair, but a big bodied WR who can't get separation isn't a good thing.

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

It's probably going to be a combination of teaching them to be more physical or scheming them open. But, going without at least 1 blocking WR will be a mistake.


He's getting a lot of comps to Quentin Johnston. It's not fair, but a big bodied WR who can't get separation isn't a good thing.

Quentin was more of a body catcher and a better athlete that Coleman IMO.

But yeah it's definitely a red flag unless you're a contested catch god like Odunze.

 

[StudioSaint]

It’s just a joke because he was our best “blocking wide receiver “ a term that I coined btw I case you see anywhere else.

You coined "blocking wide receiver?" That's impressive, because that terms been around for at least 45 years that I know of which is 4 years before you were born.

It's impressive that you remember coining that term in your previous life.

 

[SweetT]

Coleman is definitely a fine prospect but he struggled to create separation regardless of who his QB was.

34.5% of his targets where considered "contested". This is defined as "a defensive back within close proximity to defend the pass". 34.5% is by far the highest % out of any of the top receivers in this class.

To put it into perspective here's some of the other top WRs in the class.
MHJ: 16.7%
Troy Franklin: 13.5%
Rome Odunze: 20%
Brian Thomas Jr: 14.9%

Now add in his contested catch % which is only 33.3% and you've got a big body receiver who struggles to create separation and then is sub par when it comes to catching said contested passes.

It’s the eye test for me. I don’t think he had a good QB his college career. And no, I don’t think Jordan Travis is that good btw

 

[WhoDat?DrewDat]

It’s the eye test for me. I don’t think he had a good QB his college career. And no, I don’t think Jordan Travis is that good btw

What does a good QB have to do with the fact he struggles to create separation and make contested catches?

 

[MV2]

Say what you want about Trequan, Brandon Coleman, Keith Kirkwood, etc.-- you need blocking WRs to make the running game work. I think Shaheed and Olave are wonderful WRs, but they're not blocking WRs.

This. And folks ask why our offense had a tell on run plays. They can't block so you had to bring in folks that could which also told the defense what we were doing.

 

[saintmike23]

You coined "blocking wide receiver?" That's impressive, because that terms been around for at least 45 years that I know of which is 4 years before you were born.

It's impressive that you remember coining that term in your previous life.

Um no. I’ve literally never heard anyone say that about a wide receiver. A tight end, of course, but not a receiver.

 

[meily]

Keon Coleman.

If he’s there in the 2nd we have to take him. He’s everything we wanted Trequan to be and more!

Seriously, look at these run blocks!

Are we still thinking that "blocking" at the WR position is vital?

 

[St. Widge]

Are we still thinking that "blocking" at the WR position is vital?

It was probably over valued by Payton, but it's particularly valuable in the Shanahan outside zone scheme. The point of the scheme is to get the RBs in space against CBs and Safeties so you need WRs that can block those guys, or at least force them inside, to open up the run game. It's possible to do it with guys that are just adequate blockers but it really makes the run game go which really helps the passing game by keeping the Defense from getting to aggressive in the pass rush.

 

[StudioSaint]

Um no. I’ve literally never heard anyone say that about a wide receiver. A tight end, of course, but not a receiver.

Here's the first reference I found in 5 seconds. It's from 2004.

Peter Gent: Third down and life -- how things might've been

In the five years I spent with the Dallas Cowboys, we came within 2 yards and two plays of...

www.chron.com

Early in the playoff game on Christmas Eve 1967 against Cleveland, Bobby Hayes had run a long post route. I went in to give him a few plays to catch his breath. Meredith decided to run Walt Garrison to the weak side, where I had replaced Hayes because I was a good blocking wide receiver. I broke my leg and dislocated my ankle when Walt shook Browns safety Ernie Kellerman off into me.

Eric Martin was often referred to as a good blocking and possession wide receiver. There have been many other receivers referred to as "blocking wide receiver" going back for decades.

 

[Snakehead]

Are we still thinking that "blocking" at the WR position is vital?

The 49ers literally have a saying, "No block, no rock".

 

[Infoman]

AT Perry. He can be that guy if we use him.

 

[saintmike23]

Here's the first reference I found in 5 seconds. It's from 2004.

Peter Gent: Third down and life -- how things might've been

In the five years I spent with the Dallas Cowboys, we came within 2 yards and two plays of...

www.chron.com

Eric Martin was often referred to as a good blocking and possession wide receiver. There have been many other receivers referred to as "blocking wide receiver" going back for decades.

Describing a receiver as a good blocker and prototyping them as a blocking receiver are two different things despite the same phrase.