A few thoughts on OC (1 Viewer)

[St. Widge]

The time frame I gave was when we were struggling to score a passing touchdown around the bye week, not the later period when things got a little better against bad teams. We were 5-5, 5-6, and 5-7 during that stretch and should have made a change there if we felt that Curry was ready to call plays. It was the perfect time for a dressed rehearsal and we dropped the ball on it.

Asking Curry to come in on maybe a weeks notice to call plays was not likely to lead to good results for Curry or the team since he has never called plays before other than some preseason and the Senior Bowl. It worked for Brady in Buffalo, but Brady had play calling experience that Curry doesn't have.

So, going to Curry while the playoffs were still in play would have been a really risky thing to do and, as it turned out sticking with Carmichael was the right thing to do given what he did in those last 5 or 6 games since the offense really turned it around.

I too wanted them to give Curry a shot right around mid-season. Mostly because I didn't think they were going anywhere anyway and it was worth a risk to see what Curry could do. I'm just saying that this is the reason why the Saints decided not to give Curry the play calling duties. I, and likely you, were looking at next year and the future, but the team and DA were still trying to make the playoffs this year. And as it turns out, they were right because Pete did a good job as the play caller and likely better than Curry could have done with little to no time to prepare.

If, and I hope it doesn't come to that, Curry is hired as the OC he will have the offseason to prepare including 3 preseason games to work on his play calling. It would have been great to get him 6 games of experience at the end of this year, but I get why that is not the way the Saints went.

 

[oodank]

I mean, cmon!

Tyreek Hill, Mostert, Kamara, Taysom Hill, Shaheed

Sheesh

What could have been.

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I can’t quite recall to be honest.

Tyreek Hill was never gonna be a Saints player.

 

[Elvis]

Asking Curry to come in on maybe a weeks notice to call plays was not likely to lead to good results for Curry or the team since he has never called plays before other than some preseason and the Senior Bowl. It worked for Brady in Buffalo, but Brady had play calling experience that Curry doesn't have.

So, going to Curry while the playoffs were still in play would have been a really risky thing to do and, as it turned out sticking with Carmichael was the right thing to do given what he did in those last 5 or 6 games since the offense really turned it around.

I too wanted them to give Curry a shot right around mid-season. Mostly because I didn't think they were going anywhere anyway and it was worth a risk to see what Curry could do. I'm just saying that this is the reason why the Saints decided not to give Curry the play calling duties. I, and likely you, were looking at next year and the future, but the team and DA were still trying to make the playoffs this year. And as it turns out, they were right because Pete did a good job as the play caller and likely better than Curry could have done with little to no time to prepare.

If, and I hope it doesn't come to that, Curry is hired as the OC he will have the offseason to prepare including 3 preseason games to work on his play calling. It would have been great to get him 6 games of experience at the end of this year, but I get why that is not the way the Saints went.

That sounds like DA's "keep doing what we're doing" and "chopping wood" approach. Curry may not have had play calling experience, but he'd been here for years and knew the plays as well as anyone. And maybe you're right that we were still in the playoff hunt at 5-7 and not technically eliminated, but it was more a product of the other division teams also being bad. Not our team playing well.

So I understand why we might not have, I just see it as a massive missed opportunity to have gotten a preview if we were ultimately going to tie our boat to that dock for the next couple of seasons.

 

[nakadish]

You're very right in that. However one thing that worries me....is that Mickey stood up in his press conference half way through the season and said " I believe with all my heart that we've got the right people in the building. I know we do.""

And that one sentence scares the crap out of me....For 2 reasons. 1. Firing Carmichael is a direct admittance that the right people were not in the building that you believed with all your heart......UNLESS!!!!.......2. Curry was always the plan for OC.
Then Curry....the guy already in the building becomes the de facto savior while keeping Mickey's pride in tact because the answer.........that you believed with all your heart......really was in the building.
Even though you didn't believe he was capable of calling plays outside of one preseason game during a year our offense was atroicious for the majority of the year.

Like I said. Just start fresh. Get a guy that will completely rid of us payton and his offense.
Get Griese. He's a young guy. He has seen and partook in the best offenses the nfl has ever seen.......and he has seen them evolve. Give him a shot. He understands how to make players work in an offense. And if it doesn't work oh well....we tried

Maybe. But what a GM or HC says in public isn't always what they say in the office. It probably hardly ever is. Like when the Saints said that they weren't interested in hiring GW just days before they hired him. So who knows what the truth really is.

 

[St. Widge]

That sounds like DA's "keep doing what we're doing" and "chopping wood" approach. Curry may not have had play calling experience, but he'd been here for years and knew the plays as well as anyone. And maybe you're right that we were still in the playoff hunt at 5-7 and not technically eliminated, but it was more a product of the other division teams also being bad. Not our team playing well.

So I understand why we might not have, I just see it as a massive missed opportunity to have gotten a preview if we were ultimately going to tie our boat to that dock for the next couple of seasons.

I agree that it was a missed opportunity for the long term future. But, coaches and teams can't really think that way when they are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. I mean, if you get in you just never know. Tampa beat the Eagles and had a shot against the Lions. They were 8 points and Baker Mayfield remembering that he is Baker Mayfield away for the NFL Championship Game.

 

[oodank]

If any of you have ever applied for a real job, or had to hire someone for a real important position...let me ask this question:
How many people do you feel got an interview? Or how many people did you interview?

In order to better understand what talents may be available you have to conduct multiple interviews, talk to multiple varying personalities and opinions, so that you aren't limiting yourself to short-sighted train of thought. This is how the hiring process works most times. I appreciate that they are not rushing thru this process simply to appease a whiny fan base (WE are). I am firmly in the Ronald Curry corner for this hire and if he is not the choice I'm still good with it because they are conducting a thorough search to find the right guy. Other than the players and team associates that lurk here, the rest of us know practically nothing about either of these candidates' plans on how to run an offense.

 

[Elvis]

I am firmly in the Ronald Curry corner for this hire.

Can I extrapolate from this that you are also a big fan of chopping wood?

 

[oodank]

Can I extrapolate from this that you are also a big fan of chopping wood?

Never chopped not one log. What I believe is that Ronald Curry is not Pete. Curry is not DA. Curry is not Sean. So you can't say its going to look the same as Pete, you can't.

Did anybody else really listen to DA's end of season presser when asked about the offense?

 

[Rexman100]

If Curry was the guy you'd think they'd have tried him at play calling and moved Pete back to Xs and Os. I have a hard time believing our offense will improve either.

What would suck is if we don’t hire Curry and he leaves and gets it done somewhere else. We’d lose yet another quality coach proving that we have no clue how to evaluate our own much less prospective coaches. Lol. I know this sounds negative, but something happened those last 5 games, we turned the corner, and the first thing we do is scapegoat PC. We need more info as to why we improved those last 5 games. If they thought it was Curry, he’d have been hired by now. Something isnt fitting correctly.

 

[Rexman100]

I found this very interesting, the Shannahan tree seems the way to go.

 

[Gibberish]

I don't think none of those guys want our OC position. They took interviews to sharpen their interview skills, but they may not want to work for our organization.