American Airlines CRJ-700 collides with helicopter near Reagan National

[efil4stnias]

You could get clearance to cross into an approach path of an airport as long as you are doing it quickly and without delay. It happens all the time especially in cities where there's a lot of air traffic. We do it here in DFW, but we're also at lower altitudes (GA aircraft). My guess is the pilot was at the wrong altitude.

I just saw an update with Pete Hegseth who said it was a routine training mission with an experienced crew and they were on NVGs. Still , just because you're experienced doesn't mean you don't make mistakes.

What an all around sheet show.

So NVGs with all the street, building, runway, air traffic lights around? damn.

Question, having never used NVGs- but seems plausible, depth perception/spatial awareness issues?

 

[Devildog]

So NVGs with all the street, building, runway, air traffic lights around? damn.

Question, having never used NVGs- but seems plausible, depth perception/spatial awareness issues?

Definitely depth perception issues as well as spatial awareness limitations. It gets better the more you fly and train, but it's a perishable skill. Most of the time we wouldn't use them over the cities just because it would wash out everything, so we'd fly VFR and transition to NVGs as we got out of the city.

 

[efil4stnias]

Definitely depth perception issues as well as spatial awareness limitations. It gets better the more you fly and train, but it's a perishable skill. Most of the time we wouldn't use them over the cities just because it would wash out everything, so we'd fly VFR and transition to NVGs as we got out of the city.

and they are "goggles" so left/right field of view is limited ( unless looking directly at the object ) and even then, i can imagine the depth issue unless you stay on that object to determine speed/heading etc.

Just glancing at wont give you enough information.

what a terrible, tragic accident.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[baarbogast]

Grainy video of the crash.

1M views · 8.5K reactions | Surveillance video shows the moment the small plane and a helicopter collided into each other in Washington, D.C. MORE⬇ | FOX 11 Los Angeles

Surveillance video shows the moment the small plane and a helicopter collided into each other in Washington, D.C. MORE⬇.

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[efil4stnias]

oh my.

So that was on ATC radar and not a single alert to either aircraft? Not good.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

What I don't get, with all the tech we have now in addition to as transponders, why are mid-air collisions even remotely possible.

Not to mention the helicopter should have radar.

 

[superchuck500]

Also interesting if accurate - the helo route at the X location is limited to 200 feet, accident at approx 400 feet.

 

[efil4stnias]

Pretty good summation of one pilots idea on what happened.

He thinks the helo pilot, when asked if he saw the "RJ" ( regional jet) was looking to his right and saw the jet DEPARTING. When told to go behind, and advised he would, he was behind that departing jet. Unfortunately it was the jet on approach from his left that he didnt see and realize THAT was the "RJ" ATC was referring to.

 

[efil4stnias]

Also interesting if accurate - the helo route at the X location is limited to 200 feet, accident at approx 400 feet.

so that route 4 - thats what i was seeing on FLightRadar 24 on playback this am for every rotary aircraft. Hugging that right bank. Consistently.

 

[superchuck500]

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[Devildog]

and they are "goggles" so left/right field of view is limited ( unless looking directly at the object ) and even then, i can imagine the depth issue unless you stay on that object to determine speed/heading etc.

Just glancing at wont give you enough information.

what a terrible, tragic accident.

NVGs are more like a projection into your eyes. Not really like putting glasses on and you just see at night. The field of view is very limited which is why you have to constantly keep turning your head to see what's going on.

 

[porculator]

Ugh can see the wreckage from my office.

It's just striking that there's so little activity there now, its basically just a grave less than 24 hours later, meanwhile flights have started landing and taking off again.

 

[DCSaints_Fan]

This guy recreated the flight



You can see the airliner was banking on its landing approach just before the collision