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I was onboard a CRJ 900 (Delta) day of this crash, flew into Augusta, also had one hell of a hard landing, one of the harder ones that I can recall as a frequent flyer. One thing I notice about the CRJ pilots they are often very young lesser experienced pilots in their mid to late 20’s, probably working in experience to fly the larger passenger planes.
 
DaveXA said:
Here's a pretty good video of the landing.an, looked like he landed with too much speed. Plane smacked the runway pretty hard.

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This video explains a lot regarding both the initial questions I had about the post-crash fire AND the reason for the crash in the first place. Any time you see the nose wheel touching at nearly the same moment as the main gear, the approach is not setup correctly. The nose attitude of the RJ is low as it crosses the runway threshold; as if the pilots are attempting to correct being too high on the glide slope. That approach was too hot with far too much sink rate. Hopefully we will soon learn the reason(s) for the landing (attempt) being in that posture. :covri:
 
Bill said:
This video explains a lot regarding both the initial questions I had about the post-crash fire AND the reason for the crash in the first place. Any time you see the nose wheel touching at nearly the same moment as the main gear, the approach is not setup correctly. The nose attitude of the RJ is low as it crosses the runway threshold; as if the pilots are attempting to correct being too high on the glide slope. That approach was too hot with far too much sink rate. Hopefully we will soon learn the reason(s) for the landing (attempt) being in that posture. :covri:
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Indeed. Looking forward to seeing the flight data. Should be interesting to see what put them in that spot.

I wonder if because the sink rate was so high, there was no way to pull out of that and circle back for another landing attempt. I'm sure there's a sort of point of no return moment where they have to commit to the landing.
 
Just from looking at the grainey video, it looks like they have minimal flaps and didn't go into ground effect once they were over the runway (too much speed).

Was the pilot ex-Navy? Looks like a carrier approach and landing. :hihi:
 
DaveXA said:
I'm sure there's a sort of point of no return moment where they have to commit to the landing.
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Student pilots practice 'touch & gos' all the time. Adding full power within the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the runway (unless the wings were in a full stall) would have made it easy to initiate a go-around.
There are really only three things that forces a pilot to commit to a landing:

1. A dead engine or one incapable of developing the needed thrust. (duh)
2. Obstacles ahead that would be impossible to clear even at a maximum rate of climb.
3. Loss of input signals or mechanical damage to the control surfaces that would make a climb out impossible.
(likely to become more of a crash than a landing)

Though not very likely, Point #3 could possibly have been a factor in the Delta RJ crash landing. Most modern commercial aircraft are indirectly coupled to the control surfaces using electronic signals which actuate hydraulic units that move control surfaces. Had there been some sort of glitch seconds before the touch down, it may have affected the pilot's ability to flare (raise the nose) which is absolutely needed stop the descent and slow the aircraft for landing. During the entire landing approach the pilot is managing his airspeed & altitude by reducing the thrust (engine power) to descend, while he pitches the nose up or down (by means of the elevator) to control his airspeed. (Remember: Pitch for airspeed; Power for altitude)

From what I saw in that landing video it appears that the pilot did pull the nose up a second or two prior to impacting the ground. But that would have been much too late to arrest his high rate of descent. As noted in an earlier post, the black box will record the pilot's control inputs and the response by the actuators/control surfaces. They will know if he had the ability to control the aircraft all the way to the ground.
 
This just happened two days ago. It feels like we've been discussing it for at least a week and I find myself wondering why the black box data hasn't been analyzed and revealed to the public yet. Did I fall into a time vortex or something?! Maybe I'm experiencing Vuja De, that feeling you get when nothing like this has ever happened before.
 
Sailorsaint said:
This just happened two days ago. It feels like we've been discussing it for at least a week and I find myself wondering why the black box data hasn't been analyzed and revealed to the public yet. Did I fall into a time vortex or something?! Maybe I'm experiencing Vuja De, that feeling you get when nothing like this has ever happened before.
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Well, I think the recent Blackhawk and passenger jet was close enough that it feels like this stuff has been ongoing for a minute.
 
Sailorsaint said:
This just happened two days ago. It feels like we've been discussing it for at least a week and I find myself wondering why the black box data hasn't been analyzed and revealed to the public yet. Did I fall into a time vortex or something?! Maybe I'm experiencing Vuja De, that feeling you get when nothing like this has ever happened before.
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It's definitely that second thing there.
 

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